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"Penn State played on the same field."
Posted on 1/3/10 at 9:23 pm
Posted on 1/3/10 at 9:23 pm
While I place the fault for this loss on the coaching staff, the game plan, and the same poor execution that has haunted this team all year, I have to address this asinine statement, which has been oft-repeated since the 1st Quarter of the Cap One...
Yes...they are both college football teams that were playing each other in the exact same conditions. HOWEVER, that is where the similarities end.
LSU's advantage over PSU was its speed. The field negated that advantage (look no further than Holiday's returns). PSU's team speed would NOT have been affected by the field conditions, because they did not have such an advantage. It made LSU "equal" to PSU.
As an example, put a Ferrari on the starting line next to a Ford F-150 4 X 4. On a dry pavement, the truck has no chance. If the vehicles were going to race across a field composed of 5 inch deep mud, the Ferrari has no chance.
Thank you. You can now return to your reguarly scheduled programming.
Yes...they are both college football teams that were playing each other in the exact same conditions. HOWEVER, that is where the similarities end.
LSU's advantage over PSU was its speed. The field negated that advantage (look no further than Holiday's returns). PSU's team speed would NOT have been affected by the field conditions, because they did not have such an advantage. It made LSU "equal" to PSU.
As an example, put a Ferrari on the starting line next to a Ford F-150 4 X 4. On a dry pavement, the truck has no chance. If the vehicles were going to race across a field composed of 5 inch deep mud, the Ferrari has no chance.
Thank you. You can now return to your reguarly scheduled programming.
This post was edited on 1/3/10 at 9:25 pm
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Posted on 1/3/10 at 9:24 pm to udtiger
That's not a good analogy. A 4X4 truck would then have an advantage. Penn St did not reap an advantage due to these conditions.
Posted on 1/3/10 at 9:25 pm to udtiger
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LSU's advantage over PSU was it's speed.
let me ask you this
if you run a 40 in 5.0 and i run it in 5.3 in dry conditions....lets say it rains and now in those conditions you run a 5.3...do i still run a 5.3?
Posted on 1/3/10 at 9:26 pm to udtiger
all i know is that we recovered one of those fumbles so frick da refs
Posted on 1/3/10 at 9:28 pm to toosleaux
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That's not a good analogy. A 4X4 truck would then have an advantage. Penn St did not reap an advantage due to these conditions.
DING!
It became primarily a ground/ball control game (with the exception of the lone TD pass by PSU), which was clearly to Penn State's advantage.
Posted on 1/3/10 at 9:30 pm to udtiger
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they are both college football teams that were playing each other in the exact same conditions
Both TALENTED college football teams, sometimes you lose em.
We have got to improve offensively and learn to get off the field on D or we continue to lose close games.
Great field, fast field, slow field, or parking lot. We have to improve. Hell, we had like 18 penalties.
Posted on 1/3/10 at 9:31 pm to udtiger
So if you play in a dome then does Penn State's strengths get negated? Why would that be any different?
Posted on 1/3/10 at 9:32 pm to udtiger
This misconception that all Big Ten teams are slow is getting old. PSU especially is a very fast football team. Look no further than the 40's their WRs ran at the combine last season...
Posted on 1/3/10 at 9:32 pm to LSUfan4444
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if you run a 40 in 5.0 and i run it in 5.3 in dry conditions....lets say it rains and now in those conditions you run a 5.3...do i still run a 5.3?
the gap closes though, and at some point the difference is negligible...
Posted on 1/3/10 at 9:33 pm to udtiger
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It became primarily a ground/ball control game (with the exception of the lone TD pass by PSU), which was clearly to Penn State's advantage.
penn st was going to run the ball in any conditions, and LSU wasn't going to b/c we had no rb's
what exactly would a dry field have changed to the gameplan? you think LSU would have been able to run the ball against a top 10 run defense (from a run first conference) without their top 3 rb's when they could run the ball all season against far inferior competition with 2 of their top 3 rb's healthy?
Posted on 1/3/10 at 9:33 pm to RedHawk
First we would have been a lot faster, we wouldn't have slipped so damn much!!!
and we might have also caught some of those missed catches.
and we might have also caught some of those missed catches.
Posted on 1/3/10 at 9:34 pm to ForeLSU
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the gap closes though, and at some point the difference is negligible...
if a guy is faster than you when the ground is dry...he is faster than you when the ground is wet
unless you have another advantage in equipment or have prior training and experience in those conditions
Posted on 1/3/10 at 9:36 pm to RedHawk
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So if you play in a dome then does Penn State's strengths get negated? Why would that be any different?
Penn State's strengths won't get negated but LSU would still have it's best weapon. If Miles and Paterno were given the exact same set of players, Paterno would win 7 times out of 10.
Posted on 1/3/10 at 9:38 pm to LSUfan4444
the bottom line is simple
LSU did on the wet, sloppy conditions EXACTLY what they hve done all year on every condition from wet to perfect
saying changes in condition would have equaled a change in performance, when you have an ENTIRE YEAR of evidence disproving that, is ignorant
against penn sta, LSU was exactly what is was the entire 2009 season. below average at qb, unable to run the football, weak on the 0-line and inconsistent at WR
LSU did on the wet, sloppy conditions EXACTLY what they hve done all year on every condition from wet to perfect
saying changes in condition would have equaled a change in performance, when you have an ENTIRE YEAR of evidence disproving that, is ignorant
against penn sta, LSU was exactly what is was the entire 2009 season. below average at qb, unable to run the football, weak on the 0-line and inconsistent at WR
Posted on 1/3/10 at 9:40 pm to LSUfan4444
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he is faster than you when the ground is wet
the ground wasn't wet...it was total pig slop.
Posted on 1/3/10 at 9:40 pm to LSUfan4444
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if a guy is faster than you when the ground is dry...he is faster than you when the ground is wet
No, he's right. The gap closes and there is less of an advantage. If you don't see this, go run on sand.
Posted on 1/3/10 at 9:40 pm to LSUfan4444
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if a guy is faster than you when the ground is dry...he is faster than you when the ground is wet
Not by the same margin.
It also has to do with reaction time. Penn State defenders had time to react to the movements of LSU's receivers.
Posted on 1/3/10 at 9:40 pm to THATLSUBOY
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we might have also caught some of those missed catches.
Like the ones that hit our guys directly in their chests? The wet conditions had nothing to do with those drops.
Posted on 1/3/10 at 9:42 pm to udtiger
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LSU's advantage over PSU was its speed. The field negated that advantage
Ummm, wouldn't the field affect the LESS athletic players MORE.
If you are more athletic and have better body control, you should be affected less than the other team. So either, PENN is more athletic and adaptable than LSU or the field affected PENN just as much, if not more, than LSU.
Posted on 1/3/10 at 9:43 pm to coldhotwings
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It also has to do with reaction time. Penn State defenders had time to react to the movements of LSU's receivers.
as did LSU's db's, BUT somehow, their db's still reacted better
the sloppy conditions should affect the footing of defensive playes on both sides....not just LSU's
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