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re: Paul Manieri and throwing college kids under the bus
Posted on 6/23/15 at 7:45 am to Penrod
Posted on 6/23/15 at 7:45 am to Penrod
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he says the players generally liked and respected CPM.
In your own words,generally liked and respected,but ask some others like mikey do you actually think these players love being in the minors starving hoping to get called up.,and if they don't get a big signing bonus family better be rich.
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Posted on 6/23/15 at 7:50 am to YouAre8Up
Wait wait wait, tbob dislikes Les??
Posted on 6/23/15 at 8:23 am to Penrod
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the players generally liked and respected CPM.
Of course, they all say this.
Why? Because they played for LSU and saying anything negative as a player or ex player would hurt them in Baton Rouge where many players live and work in the off season or the end of their careers. Plus, they played for LSU, not CPM.
Respect? NO
Posted on 6/23/15 at 8:44 am to Penrod
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I'm related to a moderately famous former LSU baseball player, and he says the players generally liked and respected CPM. Of course there are exceptions. He also has a lot of respect for CPM's baseball decisions, but I guess that's not a popular point of view on here right now.
That's good to hear. I think some people choose to believe players are always justified in disliking their coach.
Posted on 6/23/15 at 9:02 am to LSU_10
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Of course, they all say this.
Why? Because they played for LSU and saying anything negative as a player or ex player would hurt them in Baton Rouge where many players live and work in the off season or the end of their careers. Plus, they played for LSU, not CPM.
Respect? NO
I am assuming that you speak from experience of a former player.
Or is it (more likely) that you are a mindless troll trying to get someone to notice you?
Posted on 6/23/15 at 9:08 am to Gray Tiger
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Or is it (more likely) that you are a mindless troll trying to get someone to notice you?
No that would be you dipschit.
Posted on 6/23/15 at 9:19 am to RedTigerRulz
Good write up on Corbin. Contrast in styles with PM. Fulmer had some good quotes after the win last night about how fun it is to play under Corbin. When was the last time you heard that from an LSU player not named Alex Bregman?
LINK
Posted on 6/23/15 at 9:27 am to gumbodawg
Hale, Laird, Chinea & Stevenson for just a few who have said how much they enjoyed playing for CPM. And why not count Bregman? He's only one of the most famous & successful baseball players in LSU's history? And of course Fulmer says that now: he's in the process of winning back to back championships: everyone has fun under these circumstances.
Posted on 6/23/15 at 9:31 am to ronnieone
Guy is a limp-wristed cretin
Posted on 6/23/15 at 9:43 am to RedTigerRulz
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No that would be you dipschit.
Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Posted on 6/23/15 at 9:55 am to Bear Is Dead
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PM is a great coach
He has "great" results and personally, I'll go with the great results every time. If he is some kinda bad person, I am surprised the talented kids who could go anywhere keep signing up with him.
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Anyone that denies that is just not being honest with themselves
PM is bottom line responsible for everything that happens in LSU baseball...good or bad. Having said that, LSU got knocked out of the CWS cause they gave up 18 runs in 2 games and scored only 7. Now, we can piss and moan over who started what game or which pitcher should or should not have been pulled and when, but the problem was the execution or lack of execution between the lines a lot more than a few decisions made by the dugout. imo
Any HC in college baseball who gets his teams to the CWS almost 50% of the time at LSU and has a NC, is ok by me.
Posted on 6/23/15 at 10:02 am to Lonnie4LSU
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PM is a great coach
He has "great" results and personally, I'll go with the great results every time. If he is some kinda bad person, I am surprised the talented kids who could go anywhere keep signing up with him.
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Anyone that denies that is just not being honest with themselves
PM is bottom line responsible for everything that happens in LSU baseball...good or bad. Having said that, LSU got knocked out of the CWS cause they gave up 18 runs in 2 games and scored only 7. Now, we can piss and moan over who started what game or which pitcher should or should not have been pulled and when, but the problem was the execution or lack of execution between the lines a lot more than a few decisions made by the dugout. imo
Any HC in college baseball who gets his teams to the CWS almost 50% of the time at LSU and has a NC, is ok by me.
This is too rational, too well thought out, and isn't inflammatory in any way. You speak highly of a member of the LSU coaching staff and bring good reasoning to the table.
Unfortunately, such analysis and critical thinking is not welcome around here, therefore....
Posted on 6/23/15 at 10:26 am to Lonnie4LSU
quote:He does and should. Things were looking pretty good the last few weeks of the season.
He has "great" results
quote:Huh? Kids play for "bad" coaches all the time. Because you can sell them on 15 other things: LSU itself... the atmosphere... Dunn. And personally, I think the best coaches tend to be dicks. It's not a knock.
If he is some kinda bad person, I am surprised the talented kids who could go anywhere keep signing up with him.
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PM is bottom line responsible for everything that happens in LSU baseball...good or bad.
quote:So you contradict yourself. Awesome.
the problem was the execution or lack of execution between the lines a lot more than a few decisions made by the dugout.
Players were executing... specifically pitchers. And he removed them. That's the dugout. Vandy won it's first two games by 1 run having the worst BA in the whole tournament. The difference? Their coach made the right choices at the right time. He pulled pitchers when they needed to be pulled.
quote:Some people are satisfied with this. Others are not. We can look at it in general terms... or we can look at the specific games and how they play out. One looks much better than the other. 2013 was an underachievement that could have been prevented if our coach had realized that bunting in TDA at the time was more advantageous than swinging for the fences. And this year, when he went completely crazy for game 3, he lost us the chance to get Poche and Lange back on the mound. I can't ignore those serious, obvious mistakes. But again, some can.
Any HC in college baseball who gets his teams to the CWS almost 50% of the time at LSU and has a NC, is ok by me.
Posted on 6/23/15 at 11:15 am to ell_13
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Kids play for "bad" coaches all the time
You must not have followed LSU football much from 80 to 95 or LSU baseball in 05 and 06.
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Players were executing... specifically pitchers
If you want to think 18 runs, 19 hits, 10 walks, 2 bad E, 3 hit batters, and 2 WP in out 2 L's equate to pitchers executing, knock yourself out.
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Some people are satisfied with this
Perhaps you can point out to me the college baseball HCs since 07 owning 4 CWS trips and a NC. I'm not gonna research it, but I'm thinking LSU probably ranks in the 99th percentile of successful programs under PM. If we as fans cant be at lease "satisfied" with such remarkable results, we have become a sad lot of spoiled, entitled children.
Posted on 6/23/15 at 11:20 am to Lonnie4LSU
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If you want to think 18 runs, 19 hits, 10 walks, 2 bad E, 3 hit batters, and 2 WP in out 2 L's equate to pitchers executing, knock yourself out.
You forgot balks
Posted on 6/23/15 at 11:26 am to tigernation56
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ask some others like mikey do you actually think these players love being in the minors starving hoping to get called up.,and if they don't get a big signing bonus family better be rich.
yopu mean like every minor league baseball player in the history of ever? you think it's mainieri's fault?
Posted on 6/23/15 at 11:29 am to Lonnie4LSU
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Any HC in college baseball who gets his teams to the CWS almost 50% of the time at LSU and has a NC, is ok by me.
I actually agree with this.
Why some are bitching about PM I don't know. It seems to be that on the football side as long as Miles wins 10 games all is fine and well besides the fact of missing the playoffs/BCS bowl games. Yet PM gets bashed just for not winning the NC every year.
Posted on 6/23/15 at 12:16 pm to ell_13
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I can't ignore those serious, obvious mistakes. But again, some can.
YOU can't ignore? Oh! The humanity!!
Posted on 6/23/15 at 1:15 pm to ronnieone
This will really help recruiting. Thanks.
Posted on 6/23/15 at 3:03 pm to YouAre8Up
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His success on the baseball side equals Les Miles success on the football side.
Unfortunately you are right. They belong together, just not at LSU.
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