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re: Patrick Peterson on the first long TD pass
Posted on 11/29/10 at 2:56 pm to LSUtiger17
Posted on 11/29/10 at 2:56 pm to LSUtiger17
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Watch the play, Mallet was waiting for PP to jump the short route. He never had any intention of throwing it anywhere but to 1. They ran a decoy for peterson and a fly to keep hatcher honest, and Mallet made a great throw to an instride reciever. I feel pretty confident that the play was solely for the purpose of trying to catch PP being over agressive.
I don't know about ya'lls schemes but I do recognize that play.
Arkansas runs it 3-5 times a game. Greg Childs and Mallett have almost perfected it.
If you watched our game against Georgia it is a variation of the last 3 plays we ran to score the winning TD. In the Georgia Game, the first two passes hit DJ Williams on out routes, the third time the corner jumped the underneath route and Mallet hit Childs for a 60 yard game winner. And just like LSU Georgia's safety took a bad angle and missed the tackle.
Its a tough play to defend. I think alot of safeties whiff just because they get caught off guard due to how fast the ball gets to that spot.
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Posted on 11/29/10 at 3:30 pm to LSUtiger17
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If it was the cover 2 that literally is universal and constant in football, he wasn't supposed to. If he was, it's a stupid scheme leaving a safety to cover two people unassisted. I feel pretty confident it was the first situation, and I know this Because I KNOW HOW COVER 2 WORKS BECAUSE I HAVE ACTUALLY STEPPED FOOT ON A FOOTBALL FIELD.
If you're going to lecture me about Cover 2 at least know wtf you're talking about. The CB most certainly does have the flat route. Peterson took the WR in the flat, Shep was running back to take the curl and Hatcher was suppose to be the deep cover. Hatcher blew the assignment. That's coming from someone who has ALSO stepped on a football field. Since we're measuring dicks apparently. Oh, and here's a visual aid to help you out.
eta: BTW, what we ran WAS the Tampa 2. The LB drops deeper than in the Cover 2.
This post was edited on 11/29/10 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 11/29/10 at 3:46 pm to LSUtiger17
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What in my post is incorrect?
Nothing that I know of.
I wasn't being sarcastic, I liked how you called out the guy who was saying people didn't know what they were talking about by saying he didn't know what he was talking about.
It kind of makes me wonder who in the hell on here DOES know what the hell they're talking about...?
Defenses have gotten so complicated in the last ten years or so that even if you played in high school, unless you're active with a team now, you basically wouldn't know what the hell anyone was talking about.
Posted on 11/29/10 at 3:50 pm to Tiger Ryno
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Patrick Peterson is the most overrated player I've ever seen at LSU. He is very good, but he was billed as teh best in the nation. He simply did not make enough big plays as a defensive player to warrant such credit. He didn't do anything in our biggest games against the best opponents
I agree he hasnt shown up against the bigger opponents, but without him LSU is easily 8-4
Posted on 11/29/10 at 3:58 pm to LSUdm21
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The CB most certainly does have the flat route.
Not if the 2 and 1 go deep. If 2 and 1 go deep, he sticks inside of the 2's hip, assuming he's running a fly.
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Shep was running back to take the curl
I didn't see a curl on that play.
Another thing I'm unsure about is why PP didn't try to get a jam on the 1. Seems like that could've really helped, and he didn't even try. I'm obviously not sure if he was supposed to or not in that package, but in most schemes, the corner is supposed to try to jam the 1 to keep them from getting a release like the Arky wr did.
Posted on 11/29/10 at 4:10 pm to LSUtiger17
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Not if the 2 and 1 go deep. If 2 and 1 go deep, he sticks inside of the 2's hip, assuming he's running a fly.
Unless it was a complete zone coverage. I don't think PP did anything wrong here. Look at the picture of the Cover 2 base I posted and just flip the coverage. Shep dropped back almost 15 yds which tells me they were playing some sort of Tampa 2.
C = PP and he took the flat.
L = Baker and he was covering the middle-underneath
M = Shep and he sprinted down the middle slightly towards the sideline on the snap
SS = Hatcher and he took the bad angle.
If everyone plays their reads the defense works. Hatcher just had to make a play and he didn't. Also, PP said he should have jammed the 1 so you are right on that.
This post was edited on 11/29/10 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 11/29/10 at 4:14 pm to LSUdm21
Patrick Peterson is overrated as a corner! Simple as that
Posted on 11/29/10 at 4:22 pm to LSUdm21
You do realize that with the formation they were in, the cover two looks completely different than if it were against a Pro offense.
What if there is one person guarding two people? Obviously it didn't work. If everyone had made their reads, Peterson would've been trailing on 1 to take pressure off of Hatcher.
You say Baker has curl, but it's actually curl to flat. Peterson has the 1 on the deep route if 1 or 2 dont stay in flat.
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If everyone plays their reads the defense works
What if there is one person guarding two people? Obviously it didn't work. If everyone had made their reads, Peterson would've been trailing on 1 to take pressure off of Hatcher.
You say Baker has curl, but it's actually curl to flat. Peterson has the 1 on the deep route if 1 or 2 dont stay in flat.
Posted on 11/29/10 at 4:24 pm to Tiger Ryno
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Patrick Peterson is the most overrated player I've ever seen at LSU. He is very good, but he was billed as teh best in the nation. He simply did not make enough big plays as a defensive player to warrant such credit. He didn't do anything in our biggest games against the best opponents
I've been saying this for months
Posted on 11/29/10 at 4:30 pm to LSUtiger17
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What if there is one person guarding two people? Obviously it didn't work. If everyone had made their reads, Peterson would've been trailing on 1 to take pressure off of Hatcher.
You say Baker has curl, but it's actually curl to flat. Peterson has the 1 on the deep route if 1 or 2 dont stay in flat.
If you watch the video you'd see Shep in that area. I don't want to believe that was the call but it certainly looks like PP took the flat and Shep and Hatcher were suppose to have the other two guy. Shep for the intermediate and Hatcher for the deep. Problem is Patrino designed this play in the fricking summer because he know he would beat us with it.
Posted on 11/29/10 at 5:06 pm to LSUdm21
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C = PP and he took the flat.
L = Baker and he was covering the middle-underneath
M = Shep and he sprinted down the middle slightly towards the sideline on the snap
SS = Hatcher and he took the bad angle.
I was bored and I drew the play up. Y'all let me know who was at fault, what kind of coverage they were in, etc...
Looks like a well designed play to me. The #1 and #5 routes created a verticle stretch...by the time Hatcher moved to pick up the man that had now entered his zone it was too late. Or better yet, once he took a bad angle it was too late...should have gained 17 yards at best.
Mallet's read was Hatcher...if he drops deep throw under to the #5 route.
Posted on 11/29/10 at 5:17 pm to LSUtiger17
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BECAUSE I HAVE ACTUALLY STEPPED FOOT ON A FOOTBALL FIELD.
And you think you're the only one? Good job, Champ.
Posted on 11/29/10 at 5:19 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Defenses have gotten so complicated in the last ten years or so that even if you played in high school, unless you're active with a team now, you basically wouldn't know what the hell anyone was talking about.
But how dare you admit that you don't know something. We all think less of you now.
Posted on 11/29/10 at 5:21 pm to jpcajun
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Patrick Peterson is overrated as a corner! Simple as that
You're overrated as a human and nobody even likes you.
Posted on 11/29/10 at 6:38 pm to LSUPHILLY72
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I was bored and I drew the play up. Y'all let me know who was at fault, what kind of coverage they were in, etc...
Cover 2 is the only explanation. Peterson and Hatcher are at fault. Peterson should first at least be trying to funnel the outer most receiver inside to help Hatcher out. Peterson also needs to drop as far as the middles receiver goes, which he doesn't. The OLB needs to get out to the curl/flat area.
Not only Hatcher's fault. PP is just as at fault.
Posted on 11/29/10 at 6:53 pm to TheBob
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The Tampa 2 scheme relies heavily on extremely speedy defensive players and a hard hitting secondary that loves to gang tackle. Further, the Tampa 2 expects everyone to tackle in the run game; th safeties, the cornerbacks, and everyone in between. The Tampa 2 is run out of the usual 4-3 defense, but every player is responsible for his own gap up on the line and drops a middle linebacker into deeper coverage. The design behind the Tampa 2 was to stop the West Coast Offense that became popular and was spreading around the league.
Football Times: Tampa 2
It was a Tampa 2 from what I can see because #11 goes from the middle to a deep middle and that is what makes a Tampa 2 vs regular cover 2.
Finally...after watching the tape over and over to make sure everybody was drawn accurately for my diagram...to me the problem is Hatcher's angle and whiffing on the receiver.
Just my opinion.
Maybe someone knows the answer to this question...With 4 guys on the left side of the offensive formation, why didn't LSU shift anyone over to help?
Posted on 11/29/10 at 8:23 pm to LSUPHILLY72
Watching it over and over and in slow motion. Looks to me like Mallet did one hell of a job on selling the route that PP7 took. Knowing that PP7 will go for the ball. I say this based on the timing of Mallets release compared to when PP7 jumps the route. It looks like Mallet stares the receiver (that PP7 takes) down. The path of the ball is right over the receiver and PP7, on its way before the 1 rec is anywhere close to where he catches it. Great play. Sometimes CB's do the baiting and sometimes the QB's do.
Posted on 11/29/10 at 8:48 pm to kgriff
quote:and miss the chance of making a highlight...not in this espn play of the day generation. seems like most players will risk a major screw up for the small chance to make the crowd or tv audience ooh and aah.
this is the reason for the new NFL fines and missed tackles in all of football. players want to hit now, not tackle. its dangerous for both players, Off & Def. i saw one game early this season, can't remember which game, the defensive player that made the hit, hyperextended his back. DO IT RIGHT, DUMBASSES!!
Posted on 11/29/10 at 8:49 pm to billyholawboy
Nobody knows, seeing as none of us are John Chavis.
Posted on 11/29/10 at 9:01 pm to Tiger Ryno
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He simply did not make enough big plays as a defensive player to warrant such credit. He didn't do anything in our biggest games against the best opponents.
Remember this:
Great corners prevent catches.
Elite corners prevent throws.
The latter never make a highlight reel.
This post was edited on 11/29/10 at 9:02 pm
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