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re: Outkick's take on LSU basketball
Posted on 2/25/16 at 3:50 pm to lsufan251875
Posted on 2/25/16 at 3:50 pm to lsufan251875
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Even opponents seem to say that they are unimpressed with him. I think the reasoning is that he is just crazy consistent. He never really exploded and took control of a game, so his 20-12-5 was about that every game. It's similar to how people started to say that LF7 had an unimpressive game with just under 200 yards.
Never exploded and took control of a game? Ask Vandy when he went for 36/14/4; Or Florida where he had 28/17/4 while the rest of the team shot 31% from the field and 45% from the FT line; Or 21/20/7 vs. Marquette; Or 43/14/7 against N. Florida where LSU needed every bit of it because they could not defend the 3 point line to save their life; 23/8/5 at Bama, etc, etc.
All the blame and critism that Simmons gets from some fans here is a fricking joke. I'm sorry, but when you are putting up overall numbers that have never been produced in both the conference and the history of college basketball, you're doing something. He's doing that on a team who has a coach whose only "strategy" is to literally just roll the ball out there and see what happens. Simmons has busted his arse out there, and it's largely because of him that this team, coached by this staff, even has 16 wins. Every analyst, coach etc, knows he's being handicapped by a completely inept coaching staff. Yet, he's never thrown his team, coaches, or school under the bus.
Do you think expectations were too high? Some jackass was on here yesterday saying how he was just a "good" but not great player. His basis of comparason was that Simmons certainly was no Magic Johnson (arguably one of the 10 best players of all time) and not a "great" rebounded like Dennis Rodman (maybe the best rebounder in the history of basketball!)
The reality is this: Simmons has lived up to every reasonable expectation of him going into this season. The sad part is, so has Johnny Jones.
This post was edited on 2/25/16 at 4:11 pm
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Posted on 2/25/16 at 3:51 pm to atltiger6487
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Has he stepped up when we really needed him and delivered on a key possession at the end of a game? Has he thoroughly influenced/dominated a game?
Do us a favor and name me any player would thrive on this team under Jones' offensive philosophy and completely dominate a game or post better numbers against well coached teams?
This post was edited on 2/25/16 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 2/25/16 at 3:53 pm to Alt26
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Never exploded and took control of a game? Ask Vandy when he went for 36/14/4; Or Florida where he had 28/17/4 while the rest of the team shot 31% from the field and 45% from the FT line; Or 21/20/7 vs. Marquette; Or 43/14/7 against N. Florida where LSU needed every bit of it because they could not defend the 3 point line to save their life; 23/8/5 at Bama, etc, etc. All the blame and critism that Simmons gets from some fans here is a fricking joke. I'm sorry, but when you are putting up overall numbers that have never been produced in both the conference and the history of college basketball, you're doing something.
He's doing that on a team who has a coach whose only "strategy" is to literally just roll the ball out there and see what happens. Simmons has busted his arse out there, and it's largely because of him that this team, coached by this staff, even has 16 wins. Every analyst, coach etc, knows he's being handicapped by a completely inept coaching staff. Yet, he's never thrown his team, coaches, or school under the bus.
There's somebody in here with some damn sense
Posted on 2/25/16 at 3:55 pm to Alt26
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Never exploded and took control of a game? Ask Vandy when he went for 36/14/4; Or Florida where he had 28/17/4 while the rest of the team shot 31% from the field and 45% from the FT line; Or 21/20/7 vs. Marquette; Or 43/14/7 against N. Florida where LSU needed every bit of it because they could not defend the 3 point line to save their life; 23/8/5 at Bama, etc, etc.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 3:57 pm to jd6074
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Honestly I didn't realize just how overmatched Jones was until I did some quick Wikipedia research on him. Frankly, his resume speaks more to a guy who should be the second assistant on a middle-of-the-pack ACC team rather than the head coach of a Power Five program.
Thanks Dale.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 3:58 pm to Alt26
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The sad part is, so has Johnny Jones.
Explain this one. I was thinking he never met expectations.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 4:00 pm to jd6074
I dont think anyone has denied that Johnny Jones is a shite coach. There seems to be a new thread about how bad he is after every game. Watching a Johnny Jones coached team playing basketball makes me want to shove hot coals in my eyes. I've seen better systems in 11-12 biddy basketball. Ben Simmons is the ONLY reason anyone even watches those games anymore. Although he picked it up as the season went on, Simmons needs to be more assertive. You cant blame him for any of these losses lately though. Nobody can hit wide open shots on our team and our free throw shooting is horrendous.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 4:06 pm to jd6074
Truth hurts.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 4:08 pm to Alt26
Posted on 2/25/16 at 4:09 pm to c on z
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Explain this one. I was thinking he never met expectations
I think he has lived up to every expectation one could have of a coach who in 15 prior seasons had never won an outright reg season conf. championship or NCAA Tournament game and has a career record in conference play of slightly over .500
Posted on 2/25/16 at 4:50 pm to Alt26
Some jackass was on here yesterday saying how he was just a "good" but not great player. His basis of comparason was that Simmons certainly was no Magic Johnson (arguably one of the 10 best players of all time) and not a "great" rebounded like Dennis Rodman (maybe the best rebounder in the history of basketball!)
Great post Alt, oh and by the way that poster you speak of is dukkev. Peej you really have no idea how stupid you are
Great post Alt, oh and by the way that poster you speak of is dukkev. Peej you really have no idea how stupid you are
Posted on 2/25/16 at 4:53 pm to TommyDaTiger
Nailed it...Jones is beyond mediocre.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 5:00 pm to Hammond Tiger Fan
Reason other teams stack the lane Simmons has not shown he can shoot a jump shot consistently. He drives the lane every time he gets the ball.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 5:12 pm to Hammond Tiger Fan
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It's Jones' job to figure out how to best use Simmons' talent and create an offensive philosophy around that.
I agree. But to be fair to Coach Jones, I believe not too many college coaches are capable of doing it; mainly because Ben Simmons is an unique/rare player for college basketball (i.e. a big man with point guard mentality). If Ben is staying at LSU next year (most unlikely), I believe Coach Jones would have learned from this season and can design a better offensive philosophy for Ben and the team.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 5:20 pm to jd6074
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and that is where the problem lies: LSU has a man in charge who is ill-equipped to coach this team. Jones is a 16-year-old kid driving his dad's $500,000 sports car on the highway, the Sunday school piano instructor tasked with training Mozart. He is in over his head in every way possible. And he's being exposed in front of a national audience every single night.
And yet, somehow, Jones will be retained after the conclusion of this season.
Posted on 2/25/16 at 5:22 pm to Alt26
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All the blame and critism that Simmons gets from some fans here is a fricking joke. I'm sorry, but when you are putting up overall numbers that have never been produced in both the conference and the history of college basketball, you're doing something
He is not the first player in history to average 22 ppg and 12 rebounds or whatever his stats say. And i dont give a shite about his 5 assists per game. We would be better off if he had zero assist per game. Sure, he is a great player and will be a star in the nba, but right now he is way too passive and plays horrible defense. For a superstar, he is probably the least clutch player i have ever seen. Besides the times where we were down 8 points and other teams let us drive to the goal and score (wake forest, bama), i don't know if he has scored in the final minute of a close game. Also, lets tnot forget he is 2nd in the league in turnovers. A stat nobody ever talks about. For every highlight pass he makes, there tends to be a potential highlight pass that ends up being a turnover.
With that being said, johnny and ben both deserve criticism. (If you go on sportscenter and say you don't think there is a better player in the country better than yourself, expect criticism.) the coaching has been terrible in the past couple games and early in the season. Point guard play has been atrocious as well.
Hopefully the coaching staff, the team and ben will wake up and start playing hard in the final few games, because they still have a chance to go places.
This post was edited on 2/25/16 at 5:32 pm
Posted on 2/25/16 at 5:29 pm to jd6074
Man I can't wait for this season to be over and Simmons and Quarterman to go pro. So sick of the national media slamming us over and over again. They have hyped Simmons so hard that they can't let go now that his achilles heel is showing. Yes CJJ has to take a lot of the blame but that isn't the only thing wrong. Just better free throw shooting from Simmons alone would have won us three or four more games. But just remember you can't blame Simmons for anything. His stat line is just too good. We should be happy the best player in the country is averaging 20? Subtract the points he has given up on defense and what does it net out to?
Posted on 2/25/16 at 5:33 pm to Alt26
Great description of the clueless Jones coaching the super talented Simmons:
"Jones is a 16-year-old kid driving his dad's $500,000 sports car on the highway, the Sunday school piano instructor tasked with training Mozart. He is in over his head in every way possible."
"Jones is a 16-year-old kid driving his dad's $500,000 sports car on the highway, the Sunday school piano instructor tasked with training Mozart. He is in over his head in every way possible."
Posted on 2/25/16 at 5:47 pm to Hammond Tiger Fan
Simmons quits fighting on the block immediately after he doesnt get and entry pass.
A true PF will wear his defender out constantly getting position.
A college basketball teams needs 2 guys doing this all game. Last year mickey and martin did everything they could to dominate the post. They stayed inside and constantly fought for position. And they were frusterated sometimes when they didnt get the ball but they were relentless. Simmons is not and prefers perimeter play.
Simmons did it for one game when he fouled out kentucky. The rest of the year, after just a few tries in the post he runs out and calls for the ball.
If you dont get this then theres really no pint in discussion.
A true PF will wear his defender out constantly getting position.
A college basketball teams needs 2 guys doing this all game. Last year mickey and martin did everything they could to dominate the post. They stayed inside and constantly fought for position. And they were frusterated sometimes when they didnt get the ball but they were relentless. Simmons is not and prefers perimeter play.
Simmons did it for one game when he fouled out kentucky. The rest of the year, after just a few tries in the post he runs out and calls for the ball.
If you dont get this then theres really no pint in discussion.
This post was edited on 2/25/16 at 5:49 pm
Posted on 2/25/16 at 6:07 pm to P bean
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Simmons quits fighting on the block immediately after he doesnt get and entry pass
I don't think this is true at all. When he posts, he battles down there and usually gets great position or draws an off-ball foul. Our guards are not good at making sound entry passes though.
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