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re: Our fan base has no idea what holding is
Posted on 11/7/17 at 4:31 pm to ibleedprplngld
Posted on 11/7/17 at 4:31 pm to ibleedprplngld
playing football has nothing to do with knowing the rules, and also I disagree with you. stop heckling fans of your own team
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Posted on 11/7/17 at 4:34 pm to TH03
quote:I don't think there's a conspiracy regarding holding. I think they are taught how to do it in a manner that reduces the chances of it getting called. I call that good coaching, not cheating.
Do y’all honestly think there’s some conspiracy to not call holds on bama?
Or that Saban and co neglect when they see someone hold in practice because they know it won’t get called in a game?
Are other conference refs in on it too? Alabama only had one called holding in the title game vs Clemson this year. 0 in 2016.
Cheating is doing something that eliminates it getting called.
Good coaching is something that reduces the chances of it getting called.
Would you call a hip bump or being handsy by a DB (or WR) cheating? If no, then the same applies to OL (and DL), it becomes "permissible smart play" at that point.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 4:45 pm to I20goon
LSU wears white always which probably does not help since Bama wears the same color gloves as our jersey.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 5:33 pm to ibleedprplngld
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An olineman having a firm grasp between the shoulder pads is NOT holding.
How about around the neck?
Posted on 11/7/17 at 6:09 pm to Tigerfan53
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You can hold in football but when you have a qb scrambling in the opposite direction and you don’t let the defender free that is holding
no it isnt. found who the op is talking about
Posted on 11/7/17 at 6:32 pm to ibleedprplngld
Apparently you must be an SEC ref, because you sure as hell don't know what holding is.
Bama got away with two holds on it's first drive. One was an actual tackle.
I can think of three where Key was getting past his guy and the Bama lineman wrapped an arm around his neck. That is holding.
There was another where White (?) came on the blitz and the Bama RB reached out and grabbed him around the waist.
Do I think we lost because of it? No. Not at all, but Bama holds plain and simple. To suggest otherwise is ignorant.
Bama got away with two holds on it's first drive. One was an actual tackle.
I can think of three where Key was getting past his guy and the Bama lineman wrapped an arm around his neck. That is holding.
There was another where White (?) came on the blitz and the Bama RB reached out and grabbed him around the waist.
Do I think we lost because of it? No. Not at all, but Bama holds plain and simple. To suggest otherwise is ignorant.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 6:43 pm to mtntiger
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but Bama holds plain and simple
And I guess LSU NEVER HOLDS right????
Give it A rest...............
Posted on 11/7/17 at 7:24 pm to ibleedprplngld
I didn't think the officiating in this particular game was bad at all and in fact it was one of the only games I saw them let Bpth teams play ball. It was great to see and I hope the SEC starts doing this much more throughout the season.
Having said that it's not an OLman having a firm grasp inside the pads that people see and complain about, it's the hanging their arms all over our players as they are separating and even as they make tackles. I saw this multiple times in the game. They basically scrap our DLman and who ever else is coming for the QB or to make a tackle to make it impossible to get any momentum or speed. It stretches the play by seconds sometimes a fraction of a second and it's all they need to make a play.
If it's ok to do that then LSU should definitely start teaching this technique. The holding call that was called for Arden Key was obvious, right? Well that same play happened more times than that once and it wasn't called. I'm not making excuses, I hope they never throw a flag during a game unless it's violent, but do it for both teams, which for the most part they did and the game was a good one to watch. We were in the game the entire way against a possible championship team or playoff team.
If Etling and Chark make some of those plays this ball game would be totally different. It was one of the first game where LSU didn't get pushed around on the DL or the OL, which is the measuring stick for any game. They just have better polished WRs and a QB who isn't scared to make things happen, and is decisive enough to make it sucessfully. LSU doesn't have that, at this time, but it's coming around and that's what most people wanted to see if this team/staff/program could get LSU to play good football where it counts, in the trenches. They did that which tells these recruits and this staff that what they are doing is working, at least in season it has been.
O might want to make some adjustments in the offseason and tweak little things that didn't give the positive results they thought it would. If he can find ways to stay humble and admit when he's wrong, and change up those things to be successful.
Having said that it's not an OLman having a firm grasp inside the pads that people see and complain about, it's the hanging their arms all over our players as they are separating and even as they make tackles. I saw this multiple times in the game. They basically scrap our DLman and who ever else is coming for the QB or to make a tackle to make it impossible to get any momentum or speed. It stretches the play by seconds sometimes a fraction of a second and it's all they need to make a play.
If it's ok to do that then LSU should definitely start teaching this technique. The holding call that was called for Arden Key was obvious, right? Well that same play happened more times than that once and it wasn't called. I'm not making excuses, I hope they never throw a flag during a game unless it's violent, but do it for both teams, which for the most part they did and the game was a good one to watch. We were in the game the entire way against a possible championship team or playoff team.
If Etling and Chark make some of those plays this ball game would be totally different. It was one of the first game where LSU didn't get pushed around on the DL or the OL, which is the measuring stick for any game. They just have better polished WRs and a QB who isn't scared to make things happen, and is decisive enough to make it sucessfully. LSU doesn't have that, at this time, but it's coming around and that's what most people wanted to see if this team/staff/program could get LSU to play good football where it counts, in the trenches. They did that which tells these recruits and this staff that what they are doing is working, at least in season it has been.
O might want to make some adjustments in the offseason and tweak little things that didn't give the positive results they thought it would. If he can find ways to stay humble and admit when he's wrong, and change up those things to be successful.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 8:35 pm to the LSUSaint
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making it look like it was a mutual fall.
As long as an offensive lineman has a defender at a stand-off position, i.e., "face to face and upright", the OL may also grasp his hands upon the chest/pad area of the defender as it pertains to this position. If the defender rotates or enables himself to move from a stand-off position, the OL must release his grasp and only defend with open hands. An example of this is the infamous swim move. Further, OL may not force a defender to the ground by wrapping arms around defender or tripping the defender. The only grasp that is allowed to be maintained by an OL upon a defender to the ground is in said "stand-off position" as defined above.
That is my "non written NCAA rule" interpretation through the years and in previous play days...long-long-long time ago.
In regard to several comments about Key being held "to the ground", there were a few. However, most of the time, Key was attempting to get under the arm/pad area of the DE and the DE was collapsing on Key to prevent this move...but I may have to "relook" at those.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 8:39 pm to Tiger1988
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He hooks his shoulder and turns the dlinemen he is engaged with.vv
The only use of hands once the defender moves away from a face to face for an OL is open handed "push" ONLY.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 9:14 pm to ibleedprplngld
Neither did the refs.
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