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re: Our Defense in numbers
Posted on 12/18/15 at 11:38 am to TchPowDog
Posted on 12/18/15 at 11:38 am to TchPowDog
quote:
EVERY team we played this year blew our coverage at some point in the game for a big play
This is simply not the case. Had you said every team had a big play, I could get behind it. But to say that we blew coverage in every game for a big play isn't accurate. We blew coverage early in the year. On the back half of the season we did give up big plays, but the coverage lapses were much better. This can be expected when you have a new coordinator who brings in new coverage packages that guys aren't used to.
And for the dicks out there, yes, there is a huge difference in giving up a big play due to a coverage bust vs giving up a big play due to a great pass or poor tackling due to fatigue from lack of depth.
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Posted on 12/18/15 at 12:00 pm to TchPowDog
2011 11.3 261.5 Chavis
such a solid team!
such a solid team!
Posted on 12/18/15 at 12:17 pm to Andre
I apologize man. You are right...LSU had plenty of depth on the DL and they didn't have any tf playing on defense. You win.
Posted on 12/18/15 at 12:18 pm to LATECHgradLSUfan
It was that. Thankfully chavis inherited some talent to work with...l
Posted on 12/18/15 at 12:24 pm to TchPowDog
Pretty weak set of numbers. Seriously, you are basing all judgements on two stats: points scored and yards per game.
There is more to it. You know it and everyone else does (or should).
For example:
- what is the national trend for all college football teams? SEC teams? Those in the SEC - West? Those that play a similar schedule in terms of SOS?
If those trends are up, then it would make sense LSU's numbers are up, amirite?
- McNeese game (that was never played) is not included in these numbers. What if LSU held them to under 300 yards and 14 points scoring? One less easy game in the stats would have an impact, no?
Posted on 12/18/15 at 12:27 pm to Tigerinthehollow
Idiot - you didn't say PPG and you didn't say YPG, you said TOTAL DEFENSE.
I'm 30 and I'm a software engineer AND mechanical engineer. Don't brag to me about college degrees, the schooling I went through and the work I do is miles beyond an MBA's comprehension and more than you'll ever fathom. My schooling included yours!
There's the "I'm kind of a big deal" again.
quote:
I love it when a 20 year old kid that hasn't made more than 20k in his lifetime and is still uneducated
I'm 30 and I'm a software engineer AND mechanical engineer. Don't brag to me about college degrees, the schooling I went through and the work I do is miles beyond an MBA's comprehension and more than you'll ever fathom. My schooling included yours!
quote:
especially someone that's built a very successful company
There's the "I'm kind of a big deal" again.
Posted on 12/18/15 at 12:43 pm to Alltheway Tigers!
This argument is so mind numbingly stupid.
LSU's numbers are skewed because of SOS and a game that wasn't played??
Puuhhlleeeeaaasssseeeee.
LSU's numbers are skewed because of SOS and a game that wasn't played??
Puuhhlleeeeaaasssseeeee.
Posted on 12/18/15 at 12:44 pm to Tigerinthehollow
quote:
I apologize man. You are right.
I knew you would come around.
Posted on 12/18/15 at 2:34 pm to Andre
quote::smh: None so blind.
This argument is so mind numbingly stupid.
LSU's numbers are skewed because of SOS and a game that wasn't played??
Puuhhlleeeeaaasssseeeee.
Your response is mind numbingly stupid. No facts. No analysis. Just:
quote:Why don't you analyze his argument?
Puuhhlleeeeaaasssseeeee.
I'll do it for you.
Suppose LSU shut out McNeese and held them to the same number of yards as Texas A&M. Seems reasonable.
That changes the 2015 numbers to 22 points per game and 334.75 yards per game.
Year . PPG . YPG . . DC
2015 . 22.0 . 334.8 Steele
2014 . 17.5 . 316.8 Chavis
2013 . 22.0 . 340.7 Chavis
2012 . 17.5 . 307.6 Chavis
2011 . 11.3 . 261.5 Chavis
2010 . 18.2 . 307.2 Chavis
2009 . 16.2 . 327.6 Chavis
2008 . 24.2 . 325.5 Mallory/SBD
2007 . 19.9 . 288.8 Pelini
2006 . 12.6 . 242.8 Pelini
2005 . 14.2 . 266.8 Pelini
Not a huge difference but some difference. All of a sudden, 2015 looks similar to, but better than, 2013. Why didn't Chavis do better in 2013? Maybe similar reasons apply to Steele in 2015.
But let's do better analysis and remove OOC and bowl game noise.
Year . PPG . YPG . . YPP
2015 . 24.8 . 350.40 . 5.46
2014 . 20.8 . 347.40 . 5.31
2013 . 24.9 . 399.40 . 5.73
2012 . 18.8 . 331.00 . 4.85
2011 . . 8.4 . 224.00 . 3.99
2010 . 20.6 . 324.80 . 5.24
2009 . 18.8 . 328.90 . 4.83
2008 . 31.8 . 367.10 . 5.69
2015 is better than 2013 and 2008. Work needs to be done, but I'm willing to give Steele a chance to improve and recruit.
Posted on 12/18/15 at 3:11 pm to Salviati
quote:
But let's do better analysis and remove OOC and bowl game noise.
Let's do better analysis by making up McNeese St. results and removing post season games?????
You Sir, are an idiot. Bye!
Posted on 12/18/15 at 3:17 pm to Salviati
quote:
But let's do better analysis and remove OOC and bowl game noise.
Year . PPG . YPG . . YPP
2015 . 24.8 . 350.40 . 5.46
2014 . 20.8 . 347.40 . 5.31
2013 . 24.9 . 399.40 . 5.73
2012 . 18.8 . 331.00 . 4.85
2011 . . 8.4 . 224.00 . 3.99
2010 . 20.6 . 324.80 . 5.24
2009 . 18.8 . 328.90 . 4.83
2008 . 31.8 . 367.10 . 5.69
So these are conference-only statistics?
Posted on 12/18/15 at 3:26 pm to TchPowDog
quote:I assumed reasonable numbers for the McNeese game. (In fact, I probably overestimated the number of yards.) You call me an idiot but you are the one who thinks it's rational and logical to take a year that is missing a cupcake game and compare it to years that have multiple cupcake games.
Let's do better analysis by making up McNeese St. results
Compare apples to apples, not oranges.
quote:Yes, it's better analysis to remove post-season games if you intend to compare different years to each other. The quality of post-season competition has varied greatly over the years; thus, the comparison is distorted by the disparate competition.
Let's do better analysis by . . . removing post season games
Compare apples to apples, not oranges.
Posted on 12/18/15 at 3:26 pm to chilge1
quote:Yes.
So these are conference-only statistics?
Posted on 12/18/15 at 3:33 pm to Salviati
Stat are for losers! We need a defense that plays the whole game. But who can win without a QB? 
Posted on 12/18/15 at 3:40 pm to Salviati
quote:
Salviati
I am not going to offer up a response other than to berate him because he should be berated, and you should be as well.
You are arguing based purely on speculation and hypotheticals. I am using what we know.
what we know is that LSU allowed 19 points in their first game, 7 in their last game, and 20 or more in the 9 in between.
now tell me, in what world are we to assume that LSU did something that was out of line with how it performed? other than your world where we make up hypothetical results against FCS teams to strengthen ones argument.
Posted on 12/18/15 at 3:55 pm to TchPowDog
quote:
2013 22 340.7 Chavis
You keep 2 of those defensive players that left early this would have been much better.
Posted on 12/18/15 at 4:21 pm to Andre
quote:I didn't expect a serious response from you. Facts and analysis have never really been your thing.
I am not going to offer up a response other than to berate him because he should be berated, and you should be as well.
quote:First, I am not using speculation, I am using extrapolation.
You are arguing based purely on speculation and hypotheticals. I am using what we know.
Second, you are not arguing on what is known. To the contrary, your argument is based on incomplete data. You don't know what would have happened in a cupcake game and you offer no reasonable suggestion. You are comparing complete seasons to incomplete seasons. You are comparing apples to oranges.
You suggest that we weigh eight apples, FOUR grapes, and a fruit selected at random then divide by 13, and compare that number to the weight of eight apples, THREE grapes, and a fruit selected at random then divide that by 12.
Your suggestion is not sound analysis.
This post was edited on 12/18/15 at 4:23 pm
Posted on 12/18/15 at 4:38 pm to TchPowDog
quote:
2006 12.6 242.8 Pelini
How we did not win the National Title or SEC that year is mind boggling between the offense and the defense that we had.
Posted on 12/18/15 at 5:46 pm to AlaTiger
quote:
How we did not win the National Title or SEC that year is mind boggling between the offense and the defense that we had.
@ #3 Auburn
@ #5 Florida
@ #8 Tennessee
@ #5 Arkansas
Posted on 12/18/15 at 5:47 pm to chilge1
quote:
2013 . 24.9 . 399.40 . 5.73
2012 . 18.8 . 331.00 . 4.85
quote:
2012 . 18.8 . 331.00 . 4.85
2011 . . 8.4 . 224.00 . 3.99
quote:
2011 . . 8.4 . 224.00 . 3.99
2010 . 20.6 . 324.80 . 5.24
quote:
2009 . 18.8 . 328.90 . 4.83
2008 . 31.8 . 367.10 . 5.69
I don't know which of these is the most shocking.
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