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re: Other NCAA players who have received 2 year suspensions
Posted on 8/10/18 at 9:37 am to Solo Cam
Posted on 8/10/18 at 9:37 am to Solo Cam
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A kid from Georgia got a steriod shot when he was sick and some how the roids embedded in fat cells and continued to show up on the test. He continued to fail and I believe he was out 3 years.
There was at least logic in that instance.
bullshite. The steroids you get when you're sick are nowhere near the same as the steroids you take to build muscle. All those tests, show the specific steroid not just "steroids".
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Posted on 8/10/18 at 9:37 am to LNCHBOX
Because most people believe in the spirit of the law and despise hyper- pocket protector bureaucratic letter of the law phony moralizers. In short, the sentence far outweighs the crime and reeks of moral sanctimony. Which is hard to take seriously, when a college student is potentially having his future livelihood taken away. Issues of proportionality, ethics, professional mission, equal protection are all aligned AGAINST the NCAA here.
Posted on 8/10/18 at 9:41 am to Sun God
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Rumor was the same thing happened to Savion Smith right? So LSU had the first TWO instances of this happening?
So why is Smith playing this year and Fulton isn't?
Posted on 8/10/18 at 9:43 am to MLCLyons
Idk, because he went FCS and then went Bama?
This post was edited on 8/10/18 at 9:43 am
Posted on 8/10/18 at 9:56 am to Sun God
If I recall correctly, the 2-year suspension was only enacted recently (like 2012 or something) because prior to that, cheating on a drug test got you the same as failing a drug test - so there was no incentive to submit an honest sample. If you knew you were going to fail, you may as well try to cheat because you had nothing to lose if you were caught.
Not sure if anyone else was ever caught attempting to cheat prior to Fulton, but I want to say he is the first to suffer from the newly-enhanced 2-yr penalty.
Not sure if anyone else was ever caught attempting to cheat prior to Fulton, but I want to say he is the first to suffer from the newly-enhanced 2-yr penalty.
This post was edited on 8/10/18 at 10:00 am
Posted on 8/10/18 at 9:58 am to MLCLyons
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So why is Smith playing this year and Fulton isn't?
I thought Smith just out right failed the drug test (i.e. no cheating attempt so only 1 year suspension)?
This post was edited on 8/10/18 at 9:59 am
Posted on 8/10/18 at 10:00 am to tschla1
I believe weed is a school issue. Not ncaa
Posted on 8/10/18 at 10:03 am to Sun God
Moral of the story: Don't cheat until after you've graduated and gone on to become a politician.
Posted on 8/10/18 at 10:03 am to tschla1
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Not sure if anyone else was ever caught attempting to cheat prior to Fulton, but I want to say he is the first to suffer from the newly-enhanced 2-yr penalty.
That makes more sense. Thanks for the info
This post was edited on 8/10/18 at 10:04 am
Posted on 8/10/18 at 10:03 am to Sun God
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Just weird it's never really happened before him.
Yeah, so weird. It’s like the rule did it’s job and deterred most kids from attempting to alter the results of the test.
Of course, leave it to LSU and Meddlin Ed to not educate their players on various rules and drug testing policies of the NCAA.
Posted on 8/10/18 at 10:04 am to HighRoller
How in the Hell does litle nicky and rest of the midgets get away with so much stuff, this unfair advantage to bama has to come to a end
Posted on 8/10/18 at 10:05 am to Dave England
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Yeah, so weird. It’s like the rule did it’s job and deterred most kids from attempting to alter the results of the test.
Of course, leave it to LSU and Meddlin Ed to not educate their players on various rules and drug testing policies of the NCAA.
Yeah because every other FBS admin is such a sterling example
Posted on 8/10/18 at 10:06 am to idlewatcher
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You sure about that? I thought the penalty was just 2 years for falsifying/cheating the test - regardless of if PEDS were in your system.
I'm just using logic here, I haven't read any commentary from the NCAA about this rule.
It appears to me the NCAA is assuming that if you're trying to cheat on the test, you've got PED's in your system. Why else would you be trying to cheat on the test? So the 2-year punishment is there to incentivize the PED-user to give a clean sample, not try to cheat.
This post was edited on 8/10/18 at 10:07 am
Posted on 8/10/18 at 10:10 am to Sun God
Well I don’t believe I said that, but if that’s how you want to interpret it so you can make the NCAA the big bad bogeyman, that’s your perogative.
Posted on 8/10/18 at 10:11 am to geauxtigahs87
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There's something very wrong about being suspended for 2 years for trying to cheat a drug test, but being suspended for one game (against South Alabama) after beating a woman senseless.
Thats the diff between NCAA and teams doing the punishing. NCAA doesn't punish for getting arrested in a car with drugs and an unregistered pistol.
Posted on 8/10/18 at 10:13 am to Dave England
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Well I don’t believe I said that, but if that’s how you want to interpret it so you can make the NCAA the big bad bogeyman, that’s your perogative.
It's a dumb rule but it is the rule. KF broke it. Don't have a problem with it.
My issue is not a single other school has had someone suspended the same way. You immediately go "Ed O durrrr"; I'm saying it's unbelievable that not one player in 6 years other than KF has broke the rule in question. You really think every other player has followed the NCAAs rules
This post was edited on 8/10/18 at 10:15 am
Posted on 8/10/18 at 10:20 am to Sun God
I just don't under stand how he got caught. If they watch you piss then you have to use your own pee and actually pee and take your chances. If they not watching you you just dump the synthetic pee or other persons pee in place of your own. If the temperature not right then they gonna make you do it again and watch you. How you get caught??
ok if the temp not right it can be reported as a fail but still don't see how that would translate to a caught cheating.
Plus I never heard of them faking you out by acting like they not going to watch and then coming in on you.
I really wish the details of how he tried to cheat the test would come out
ok if the temp not right it can be reported as a fail but still don't see how that would translate to a caught cheating.
Plus I never heard of them faking you out by acting like they not going to watch and then coming in on you.
I really wish the details of how he tried to cheat the test would come out
This post was edited on 8/10/18 at 10:28 am
Posted on 8/10/18 at 10:23 am to Sun God
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You really think every other player has followed the NCAAs rules
again, I never said this.
but why is it so hard to assume that other schools have educated their student athletes about what they will be tested for, and the ramifications for attempting to do something as stupid as use fake pee or someone elses pee?
Posted on 8/10/18 at 10:25 am to boxcar willie
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I just don't under stand how he got caught.
you don't understand how an 18 year old who is so panicked about testing positive for THC would stick out like a sore thumb while trying to dump pee in a bottle?
I'm pretty sure the average person can look at a guy standing at a urinal and tell whether they are actually peeing, or pouring something in a bottle.
Posted on 8/10/18 at 10:26 am to Dave England
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but why is it so hard to assume that other schools have educated their student athletes about what they will be tested for, and the ramifications for attempting to do something as stupid as use fake pee or someone elses pee?
Because a lot of college kids are idiots? And a lot of other schools' admins are inept? Me and you are in agreement on LSU compliance being shitty and Fulton deserving to serve the suspension. It's just fishy as frick it's never happened before or since somewhere else.
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