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re: Orgeron's record at Ole Miss is irrelevant

Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:54 am to
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
47944 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:54 am to
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Did coach O micromanage his coaching staff at LSU like he did at Ole Miss


Thats because he doesnt run the offense and Dave Aranda knows more about running a successful defense than Ed Orgeron.
You hired the wrong person if his best attribute is getting out of the way.
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Did coach O duplicate his won-loss record at LSU like he did at Ole Miss?

He lost to a 14 point underdog at home while they were missing tons of defensive starters.
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Thus since coach O obviously learned from his mistakes,

You think a smal interim sample proves he has learned from his mistakes? Ha ha.
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Then why are you ignoramuses trying to hold coach O's record at Ole Miss over his head forever?

Because it's the only time Ed orgeron has wielded power at a program.
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Go fly a kite and stop boring us to death your stupidity.

Stupidity is being ok with a 55 year old career dline coach being named HC at a major program.
Stupidity is hiring a hc that HAS NEVER RAN A SUCCESSFUL OFFENSE, DEFENSE , OR PROGRAM. thats stupidity.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
47944 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:56 am to
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Being the interim HC of two teams that were thought to be national title contenders is not the same as running a program and sustaining success.


Exactly. They actually think being an interim coach for a team he didnt build should outweigh the time he was the actual hc somewhere.
Posted by essesee
Baton rouge
Member since Sep 2013
1117 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 1:56 am to
I was willing to give him a chance reluctantly until I heard his plan involve kiffin. Those two are fire and gasoline they will burn this program down and leave it in ruins like usc and Tennessee. If you don't learn from history you are bound to repeat it. We will have the ncaa knocking on our door by using shady recruiting tactics to cover up our lack of a head coach. We essentially hired Larry Coker the insane are running the asylum.
Posted by nvasil1
Hellinois
Member since Oct 2009
17334 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 2:17 am to
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They actually think being an interim coach for a team he didnt build should outweigh the time he was the actual hc somewhere.

And if they want to give weight to his success as an interim, it's fair to criticize him for his failures there, too.

He lost the two biggest games traditionally on USC's schedule, Notre Dame and UCLA.

The offensive gameplan and clock management issues against Bama, the redzone breakdowns against Florida and even being tied at halftime against USM would have made this board melt if Les was still in charge.
Posted by Space Cowboy
Member since Oct 2016
4079 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 2:36 am to
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Which staff did he micromanage? Noel Mazzone? Hugh Freeze? Dan Werner? Frank Wilson? Did he micromanage himself when he was a terrible DC, and then hired John Thompson? Give me some specific examples.


Look moonbat, did he duplicate his same stupid mistakes at USC and LSU that he made at Ole Miss? Obviously, the answer is no he didn't. Therefore, those Ole Miss mistakes aren't any more relevant than when you used to crap your pants as a toddler is still relevant today. So why are you holding coach O to a much higher standard than you hold yourself you hypocritical ignoramus?

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He stepped into situations at both USC and LSU where the teams were super talented (USC, if you remember you moonbat, was preseason number 1 that year) and he performed admirably.


It doesn't matter how talented USC and LSU were. Were they performing way below expectations considering the talent level? You bet, but nonetheless when coach O stepped in as interim head coach in both places, both teams started playing up to their potential. Why is that not relevant and only his record at Ole Miss is relevant. It's because you are a mentally handicapped hypocrite who unfairly is holding coach O to much higher standards than you even hold yourself.

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Question marks still remain about his ethics (of course you don't remember Jerrell Powe and the super shady way he ended up at Ole Miss


That isn't relevant you lunatic. Did coach O get fined and suspended by the NCAA? No...so you are so hypocritical regarding coach O that you are falsely accusing him of perpetrating shenanigans to sully his reputation even though you don't have one iota of evidence to substantiate your silly stupidity. Yeah right loon, go fly a kite. Indeed, if you believe he is guilty, then report him to the NCAA and show them your evidence. Oh, that's right you don't have any I almost forgot. Man some people are loons and you are one of the biggest.

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He has shown a lot more interest in courting favorable opinion than actually addressing his shortcomings


You have evidence to support your stupid false allegations again you moonbat? No, not one iota. Plus you are not even credible because it is exceedingly obvious that you hold a grudge over coach O. Indeed, you are just a lowlife scumbag and perpetual hater.

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I mean, how many people do you know completely changed management styles?


Where I come from, a lot of people! Believe it or not unlike you most people don't remain dumb and stupid for their entire life. Not to mention that most people unlike you also learn to forgive and forget, because most people realize that we are fallible human beings.

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It's also rare for a coach who has won so few games to actually become a championship coach.


More baloney, a lot of coaches muffed up their early careers and then came back subsequently a much stronger coach and person. Apparently, you ignorantly believe that great coaches are born.

Indeed, when you were a young man and first started your job, were you a pro from day one like you were born a pro? Of course, you don't feel that way, but yet like a mentally handicapped lunatic you expect coach O to be a pro at his job the very first day, but it doesn't work that way as there is no substitute for experience. Yet, nonetheless that's the standard you hold for coach O, because not only are you a loon, but you are also a major hypocrite of mega magnitudes at the same time.

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What is more likely is that he will regress to the mean. Which means he will be what he always was. You moonbat.


Not only do you have zero credibility as you obviously hate and despise that man, but nonetheless you don't have one iota of evidence to substantiate your silly claim, as all you have is unhinged lunatic charges against a man you obviously hate and despise, even while like a mega hypocrite you hold him up to much higher standards than you even hold yourself. Indeed, go fly a kite you mentally deficient moron and stop boring me to death with your stupidity.
Posted by Space Cowboy
Member since Oct 2016
4079 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 2:54 am to
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re: Orgeron's record at Ole Miss is irrelevantPosted on 11/28/16 at 1:33 am to Space Cowboy
I'm sure he's learned a lot in the last decade, but his time at Ole Miss is literally the only sample available right now to judge his ability to run a program. That makes his record there quite relevant.


Can you read? Not very well apparently. Listen, you moonbat, the only thing that is relevant is the FACT that coach O didn't duplicate the same stupid mistakes he made at Ole Miss at USC and at LSU. Indeed, that's the only thing that is relevant.

Let me ask you a simple question, were you better at your job when you first started it, or are you far better today doing your job because you have learned via the school of hard knocks and trial and error from your own stupid mistakes? Now do you believe all your stupid mistakes are still relevant and then hold them up over your head to this day? Of course, not. So why are you holding coach O to a higher standard than you hold yourself like a mega hypocrite?

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Not sure why you and others get so defensive about O when people point out legitimate concerns.

I love a good circus.


There is nothing legitimate about your idiotic concerns. Indeed, some of you moonbats are obviously oblivious adolescents. Indeed, that's the only thing that I can see that explains you silly moonbats immense stupidity.



Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39151 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 2:56 am to
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Look moonbat, did he duplicate his same stupid mistakes at USC and LSU that he made at Ole Miss? Obviously, the answer is no he didn't. Therefore, those Ole Miss mistakes aren't any more relevant than when you used to crap your pants as a toddler is still relevant today. So why are you holding coach O to a much higher standard than you hold yourself you hypocritical ignoramus


Look you loon, tell me one specific incidence of micromanagement he had at Ole Miss? Or do you just believe everything that froths forth from his mouth. Give me one example. I already gave you the book. Give me one example. You don't have one because you are like a baby Hitler toothpick, I mean, Space Cowboy. You don't know your arse from a hole in the ground. You wouldn't know a winner if it hit you in your ovary. All you can do is call people loons, and them miss the point of my post mocking your style Toothpick.

I'd argue his entire resume is relevant and up for discussion. You didn't know about the Jerrell Powe stuff because you are an uninformed moonbat. Given that his right hand man, Hugh Freeze was just implicated in some sanctions means nothing. It also means nothing that O recruited a murderer right? Solid judge of character. Go back to where you came from Toothpick. You are a loon and a jackass and you obviously didn't learn your lesson the first time you were banned. You couldn't help yourself though. I'm glad your back. I feel comfortable randomly insulting people more often and using the terms moonbat and loon. I do like you've repeated the same analogy about the toddler shitting his pants but haven't learned to apply it to yourself.

And please go ahead and name all the coaches that had 30 percent winning percentages and turned it around to actually win championships. I'll be waiting patiently toothpick for your illuminating answer which will include at least twenty non-sequitur insults and at least two versions of that same idiotic analogy of the toddler shitting his pants. Idiot.
This post was edited on 11/28/16 at 2:58 am
Posted by Space Cowboy
Member since Oct 2016
4079 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 3:02 am to
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Being the interim HC of two teams that were thought to be national title contenders is not the same as running a program and sustaining success.


Well first of all, coach O is famous for being one of the best recruiters in the country. He's also famous for being an expert motivator of football players, as all his former players and the coaches that work under him love and respect the guy. Meanwhile, he's going to do what other successful head coaches around the USA also do, which is hire the best coaching staff in the country, and being at LSU is the best place for him to do that. Why is that so hard to figure out? It's not rocket science. It's common sense instead.
Posted by Space Cowboy
Member since Oct 2016
4079 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 3:06 am to
Look dude, this is how much I regard your post. It's so adolescent that I won't even waste my time responding to your adolescent nonsense. Go fly a kite and stop wasting my time with your immense stupidity.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39151 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 3:10 am to
Awe Toothy doesn't want to play. Pussy.
Posted by Space Cowboy
Member since Oct 2016
4079 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 3:11 am to
Look junior, your mother is calling you. She told me to tell you, that you better get your butt home as fast as you can or you will go to bed without any supper.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39151 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 3:14 am to
Look at you slink away. you obviously arent toothpick. you are the shell of toothpick. You can mimic his moonbats and loons all you want, but you'll always be afraid of showing who you really are. you have my pity. toothpick also didn't have that weird toddler fecal fixation. obviously you aren't him. you are some weird pervert.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
47944 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 7:47 am to
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Look dude, this is how much I regard your post. It's so adolescent that I won't even waste my time responding to your adolescent nonsense. Go fly a kite and stop wasting my time with your immense stupidity.



I posted facts dumbass.

Ed orgeron has doesnt meddle because he cant. He doenst know offense and aranda knows more about running a successful defense.

But by all means dont respond to facts.
You cant respond because nothing is posted is wrong.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
47944 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 7:50 am to
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Well first of all, coach O is famous for being one of the best recruiters in the country
over stated.
If youre ok with this hire youre the reason we will never reach Bama's level. If youre ok with hiring a 55 year career dline coach then you clearly dont care about the direction of lsu football.
Posted by League Champs
Bayou Self
Member since Oct 2012
10340 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 8:08 am to
and Sabans record at LSU was irrelevant too


Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 8:24 am to
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Rickdaddy4188



LOL.

So. How does it feel to be on the dark side with me now?
Posted by Pas Bon
Galveston County, TX
Member since Sep 2003
1890 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 8:28 am to
Ole Miss was highly successful immediately preceding Orgeron because of that little tidbit named Eli Manning. See: Brett Favre/Curley Hallman
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
62076 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 8:29 am to
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They actually think being an interim coach for a team he didnt build should outweigh the time he was the actual hc somewhere.


It's mind-boggling and pathetic.
Posted by Icansee4miles
Trolling the Tickfaw
Member since Jan 2007
31616 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 8:31 am to
You just described Les Miles. To a T.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 11/28/16 at 8:33 am to
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They actually think being an interim coach for a team he didnt build should outweigh the time he was the actual hc somewhere.


It's mind-boggling and pathetic.

Yep.

Time to think about it has only made the glaring stupidity of this hire more apparent.

Holy frick. If one were to rank all the available or possibly available coaches in college football and then have all of the schools rank them, I'm pretty fricking sure we just hired a guy who wouldn't have finished in the top 30.

What in the actual frick did Alleva do!
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