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re: Orgeron deserves a raise and an extension, but proceed with caution

Posted on 2/5/19 at 8:19 pm to
Posted by The First Cut
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Posted on 2/5/19 at 8:19 pm to
OK, if I'm wrong show the data (which you still haven't). BUT, even then, there are far too many variables to say he's inarguably the best.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 2/5/19 at 8:20 pm to
Arandas numbers are better than Venables.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 2/5/19 at 8:20 pm to
Ok give me a minute I’ll post em
Posted by The First Cut
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Posted on 2/5/19 at 8:21 pm to
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What do the numbers say?


Posted by The First Cut
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 2/5/19 at 8:23 pm to
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Ok give me a minute I’ll post em


Just as quick glance, Michigan has ranked ahead of LSU in every year. Does that prove Michigan's DC is superior?
This post was edited on 2/5/19 at 8:24 pm
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 2/5/19 at 8:24 pm to
So Brent Venables and Don Brown when he’s not playing Ohio State
Posted by The First Cut
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 2/5/19 at 8:30 pm to
It doesn't prove anything. Talent and strength of schedule factor largely into those rankings. The style of offense also plays largely into those rankings. Chavis had top SEC defenses almost every year he was at LSU. A huge part of that was the offense Miles ran, which killed the clock and limited defensive minutes. As soon as Chavis went to A&M and Arkansas his defenses went to near the bottom of the SEC.
This post was edited on 2/5/19 at 8:32 pm
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 2/5/19 at 8:38 pm to
Here’s the stats comparison between Aranda and Venables for their entire careers as DCs. Aranda 308.2 yards per game allowed 17.5 ppg allowed Venables 321.9 ypg allowed 19.5 ppg
This post was edited on 2/5/19 at 8:39 pm
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 2/5/19 at 8:43 pm to
Don brown has only been at Michigan since 2016. Before that he was giving up more yards per game than Aranda by a wide margin including 428.2 in 2013. And Michigan hasn’t ranked ahead of us every year or ahead of Arandas defenses at Wisconsin every year. In 2014 Aranda had the number 1 defense in the country Michigan was 6th and had a different DC.
This post was edited on 2/5/19 at 8:47 pm
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48015 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 8:53 pm to
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No I actually used scoring defense but the numbers are correct. The list isn't wrong.


Yes it is. Youre using pre bowl game.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 2/5/19 at 8:55 pm to
“BUT, even then, there are far too many variables to say he's inarguably the best.”

What’s funny is you’re using these “variables” only one way. The context in your narrative can only go against Aranda not with him since you’ve just said that facts don’t prove anything. If that’s your attitude then why not just say I believe he’s not the best just because that’s what I want to be true? Facts and stats don’t matter and you will not allow context to support Aranda only to denigrate him. Pretty much what I expected.
This post was edited on 2/5/19 at 8:57 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296201 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 8:57 pm to
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Facts and stats don’t matter and you will not allow context to support Aranda only to denigrate him


What facts?

No one here has "denigrated" Aranda. He's one of the best at what he does.
Posted by bencoleman
RIP 7/19
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 2/5/19 at 8:58 pm to
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Yes it is. Youre using pre bowl game



I'm using the numbers from the regular season. I can't help it if you don't like it. The world doesn't revolve around little ricky. When you post numbers you can dictate the criteria that you decide to use. Have a great day.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48015 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 9:00 pm to
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Here’s the stats comparison between Aranda and Venables for their entire careers as DCs. Aranda 308.2 yards per game allowed 17.5 ppg allowed Venables 321.9 ypg allowed 19.5 ppg


Hey,everyone knows aranda is the weak link in our big 3. Just check any sycophants post history and youll see Aranda beings questioned 5x more than O or Ensminger.
Posted by bencoleman
RIP 7/19
Member since Feb 2009
37887 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 9:02 pm to
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No one here has "denigrated" Aranda. He's one of the best at what he does



This right here but that's not good enough for certain people.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296201 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 9:04 pm to
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The context in your narrative can only go against Aranda not with him since you’ve just said that facts don’t prove anything


At LSU, his defenses have averaged 15th in total yards.

It certainly proves he's elite, im not sure you could say it's the best
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48015 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 9:06 pm to
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using the numbers from the regular season. I can't help it if you don't like it


Youre using fake numbers. UCF isnt 36th in scoring defense.
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The world doesn't revolve around little rick


They do revolve around accurate information.
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When you post numbers you can dictate the criteria that you decide to us

Youre posting inaccurate and wrong information. You know UCF isnt 36th in scoring defense.
Remember how we talked ahout your lying?
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Have a great day.

You dont have to say this to me. All my days are amazing.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296201 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 9:08 pm to
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This right here but that's not good enough for certain people.


They can't create a fake narrative without pushing
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48015 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 9:09 pm to
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No one here has "denigrated" Aranda. He's one of the best at what he does.





Did you lay a&m at his feet?
I may be mistaken.
Posted by earl keese
A Thousand Miles from Nowhere
Member since Jan 2014
7029 posts
Posted on 2/5/19 at 9:09 pm to
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Remember how we talked about your lying?


He can't help himself.
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