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re: Opinion on Coach O
Posted on 7/29/19 at 5:53 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 7/29/19 at 5:53 pm to Lester Earl
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Was Les Miles fireable after 2010? 2011? or 2012?
Was Les Miles fireable after 2014? 2015? 2016?
No one outside of LSU thought he was fireable after the 2015 let alone the beginning of the 2016 season. The thing most of those national media folks missed was the tone around the program that had been set for many years before of fans complaining about season like the ones I keep listing which resulted in what they called "under performing."
Had he finished the 2011 season and won that title...even with his anemic offense, he's not fireable after the slide in 2015 or the start of 2016. Nothing else matters. Failing to win that one game, coupled with that idea that throughout his entire time here he was failing to win enough...failing to win more...was what made that slide at the end of 2015 and the start of 2016 his undoing. But had the fanbase not taken that tone...had they not collective lost their minds with that loss to BAMA in the 2011 NCG and then shite on the following 2 seasons still harping on 2011...he sticks around we're probably in about the same spot we are now.
Does that mean I wish he'd have stayed? Nope. I've said many times that after the Wisky game if I were AD I'd have made the decision behind the scenes that this would be his last year and I'd have had a legit search. I wish things would have been different and he'd have had the chance to catch Charlie Mac's record at LSU. I think the guy deserved it. But...ultimately it was tie to move on.
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Posted on 7/29/19 at 5:53 pm to earl keese
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Doesn't seem to be that hard a concept. But it obviously is for some.
Probably because talent and expectations have a lot to do with it
Miles 2010 > Miles 2006
This year is set up to be a good one
Posted on 7/29/19 at 5:54 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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he sticks around we're probably in about the same spot we are now.
Nope. He lost it which is why he's in Kansas.
Bored, tired, not sure.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 5:59 pm to Goldrush25
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This is your crutch in these discussions about this HC.
That's one of Roger's go to moves.
A couple others are "I haven't seen anything like that" and "LINK."
Posted on 7/29/19 at 6:00 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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one outside of LSU thought he was fireable after the 2015 let alone the beginning of the 2016 season. The thing most of those national media folks missed was the tone around the program that had been set for many years before of fans complaining about season like the ones I keep listing which resulted in what they called "under performing."
The media was never fair or realistic when it came to les miles. Think about the end of 2015; they saved his job more than anyone when he should have been out. He was a media darling.
Then he got fired, and couldn’t get a job coaching. The people that actually decide(universities, NOT the media) if he is worthwhile or not did not see him as a commodity. What else do you need?
Again, start in 2013 & go over the losses. Removed from it all now, if you still can’t see the snowball, then eeek.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 6:02 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You're stuck there and can't escape
I still defend bad takes on him...same way I did then.
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hence your hatred for Orgeron
Remember where I mentioned being intellectually honest? I've actually been very honest about what I think about him, haven't I? Given your ability to reference my atheism in a thread here before, it's clear you read what I write...so why pretend I've ever said I hate the guy? It makes you look petty...or just dishonest.
But...again...I'll state what I think. I personally do not like the man. I never have. I did not trust him as a honest guy when he was with other programs, I disliked the way he treated LSU when he was elsewhere in terms of recruits, and I generally find the guy distasteful. But I don't hate him. I'm not sure I care enough about him, or anyone for that matter, to work up actual hate.
But...my issues with him as LSU's coach are not merely born of my disliking him as a person. I found him to be wildly unqualified to even be considered as LSU's coach, and so did most everyone else even through most of the 2016 season. I still do. The fact that he has not tanked the program does not suddenly, retroactively, make Joe Alleva a fricking genius for hiring a guy that literally not even Syracuse would interview. The odd thing is that all it took for most LSU fans to forget what they'd thought about the guy was for him to stretch on a purple LSU polo and say "Geaux Tigers." Which means they never disliked him back then for any real reason, or they are as flighty as 12 year old school girls.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 6:02 pm to earl keese
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That's one of Roger's go to moves.
The poster freely admits he hates Orgeron.
And you're still knighting for him
This post was edited on 7/29/19 at 6:02 pm
Posted on 7/29/19 at 6:07 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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The poster freely admits he hates Orgeron.
And you're still knighting for him
Why shouldn't I? Hell, what he said is the truth.
This isn't third grade Roger. Just because someone doesn't like a coach, doesn't mean I have to disagree with everything that person posts.
Is this the kind of thing you do? If it is, It explains a lot.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 6:09 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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No one outside of LSU thought he was fireable after the 2015 let alone the beginning of the 2016 season.
This is the truth.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 6:11 pm to Goldrush25
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This is the truth.
There's a lot of evidence to the contrary.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 6:13 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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But...my issues with him as LSU's coach are not merely born of my disliking him as a person
no one said it was
But you clearly dislike him on some personal level which is bizarre
Posted on 7/29/19 at 6:13 pm to RogerTheShrubber
You talk to a lot of people outside of those that follow LSU football?
Most common question I got in 2016 was "why did you guys fire Les Miles?"
If you tell me you talked to more non-LSU folks that said it was about time I'll call you a liar. It didn't happen.
Most common question I got in 2016 was "why did you guys fire Les Miles?"
If you tell me you talked to more non-LSU folks that said it was about time I'll call you a liar.
It didn't happen.Posted on 7/29/19 at 6:14 pm to Lester Earl
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Think about the end of 2015; they saved his job more than anyone when he should have been out.
Look...as an LSU fan who was frustrated I can say that had we pulled the plug at the end of the 2015 I'd have been fine with it. but can we stop pretending that it was some obvious call that was clearly warranted?
2010-13 was 44-9. 2014 equaled his worst year here at 8-5. He rebounded by all accounts the following year despite the slide and but for that cancellation would have gone 10-3.
He was fired because the narrative around Baton Rouge had become that he was underachieving. how many times were we told here that touting 10 win seasons was not what they used to be? Same with New Years bowls? After winning it all in 2007 (and still not getting credit for it by many who wanted to call them Saban's players or that he lucked into with 2 losses) everything short of that was failure. even the 2011 season was seen not just as a missed opportunity but as some program reckoning. Losing that was EVERYTHING and most here never got over it. It's why you'll confidently suggest that firing him at the end of 2015 was some no brainer despite the 61-17 run the past 6 seasons.
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Again, start in 2013 & go over the losses. Removed from it all now, if you still can’t see the snowball, then eeek.
Classic hindsight though. Keep in mind, we had numbskulls claiming the same type of vision back in 2005 when they wanted to fire him for almost losing to ASU and for coming out with a Madonna headset on in Tiger Stadium and losing to TENN. Because of that, I'm not going to concede a point that folks that were clamoring for firing him that early were right because it ultimately turned out to be true. They were saying that from day one. All coaches eventually get fired...one day they'd have eventually been right, after all.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 6:16 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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The poster freely admits he hates Orgeron.
Are you special or something?
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Remember where I mentioned being intellectually honest? I've actually been very honest about what I think about him, haven't I? Given your ability to reference my atheism in a thread here before, it's clear you read what I write...so why pretend I've ever said I hate the guy? It makes you look petty...or just dishonest.
But...again...I'll state what I think. I personally do not like the man. I never have. I did not trust him as a honest guy when he was with other programs, I disliked the way he treated LSU when he was elsewhere in terms of recruits, and I generally find the guy distasteful. But I don't hate him. I'm not sure I care enough about him, or anyone for that matter, to work up actual hate.
So...do I hate the guy or not? For frick's sake you're tiring.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 6:19 pm to GeauxTigerTM
Are you claimed no you never said you had something personal on the guy and couldn't stand him?
I mean, it wasn't even that long ago.
I mean, it wasn't even that long ago.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 6:20 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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Classic hindsight though.
It’s not seen through hindsight though. I mean the whole premise of your post is that people were calling for his head for years
Yea some of it was over the top, but again, look at the losses & the manner in which some of these games were lost. And you want to sit here & pretend like some high standard was maintained through all of that
Posted on 7/29/19 at 6:24 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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but can we stop pretending that it was some obvious call that was clearly warranted?
No one watching him frick up clock management at the end of the Wisconsin and Auburn game can say that with a straight face.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 6:28 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I mean I thinknhe Managed the Auburn game fine. The illegal shift put us in a bad spot but it’s fricking hard to get the ball snapped with 1 second on a running clock.
You basically have to snap it when the ref blows the whistle.
You basically have to snap it when the ref blows the whistle.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 6:29 pm to SammyTiger
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I mean I thinknhe Managed the Auburn game fine.
Wasted almost the entire clock. Go look at the game logs.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 6:40 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Another of Ricky s lies you have ran with as a low information poster
you said it pussy.
you blamed the olines strength and conditioning for the lack of offense against Southeastern.
dont blame other posters for holding you accountable for your retarding
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