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re: OOC Schedule..Rather Have Kentucky or Vandys!!
Posted on 7/31/08 at 6:11 pm to JohnStOnge
Posted on 7/31/08 at 6:11 pm to JohnStOnge
Ok. I realize that comparing scores has limitations. But Troy lost to Florida 59-31 and the score was 49-7 at halftime.
App State beat Michigan, as we all know.
Does anybody remember what happened when Michigan played Florida?
In my opinion, Troy was not as good as Appalachian State was last year and probably won't be as good as Appalachian State will be in 2008.
App State beat Michigan, as we all know.
Does anybody remember what happened when Michigan played Florida?
In my opinion, Troy was not as good as Appalachian State was last year and probably won't be as good as Appalachian State will be in 2008.
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Posted on 8/1/08 at 12:25 am to JohnStOnge
Yea we lost one conference game to FAU, a team that espn is saying could be a BCS buster this year. Then they went on to blow out Memphis in the New Orleans bowl. They are coached by Howard Schnellenberger the coach who took Miami from a bottom dweller to a national championship in the 80's. Also as far as I know Troy hasn't lost to a D1-AA since makeing the jump to D1-A.
This post was edited on 8/1/08 at 1:13 am
Posted on 8/1/08 at 12:28 am to Southpaw0708
Vandy's is more respectable than ours. We have the worst one in the SEC. not a single OOC team from a BCS conference, right? Only SEC team with this distinction?
Posted on 8/1/08 at 2:23 am to el tigre
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Only SEC team with this distinction?
Well, eliminate bottom dwellers; because, OOC foes love to play them to get the W against the big bad SEC. Then yes, we get that distinction amongst contenders.
Posted on 8/1/08 at 7:18 am to el tigre
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but then again who wasn't ranked hirer than Alabama last season
I'm guessing you've been reading this board for awhile? :asskisser:
Posted on 8/1/08 at 8:34 am to Rush2112
No I just don't like teams that are the best conference in college football that have crappy excuses not to play another instate D1A team. Almost every other team in the SEC has played us but UofA and AU wont unless it's a confrence game(yea thats going to happen) or if we face then in a bowl.
Posted on 8/1/08 at 8:48 pm to JohnStOnge
You can't really compare college teams year to year. Too much turnover in personel and the unknown thoughts of 18 and 19 year old kids.
Posted on 8/2/08 at 8:14 am to SOTStuba
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Also as far as I know Troy hasn't lost to a D1-AA since makeing the jump to D1-A.
Yes, Troy is 12-0 vs. I-AA (FCS)since leaving that subdivision in 2001. However, only one of those teams, Cal Poly in 2005, was a top 25 or playoff caliber I-AA. Using Sagarin's ratings just to get an idea, here are the final ratings relative to other I-AAs of the I-AA opponents Troy played, by year:
2001: 37th, 38th, 50th, 56th
2002: 50th, 61st, 81st, 108th
2003: 75th, 100th
2004: None
2005: 9th (Cal Poly)
2006: 58th
2007: None
And, of course, Troy played all those games at home. Have them go play AT Montana or AT Appalachian State then maybe we can see just how good they are as compared to the best of I-AA. Of course, that'll never happen because the Sun Belt has made a rule that its teams are not allowed to play at I-AA stadiums even though some of those stadiums are characterized by "bigger time" atmospheres than many of the Sun Belt stadiums are.
Finally, for what it's worth, Troy has never finished above the range of I-AAs by that system. Last year was the closest they've come to doing that; as Appalachian State was the only I-AA to finish ahead of them.
This post was edited on 8/2/08 at 8:16 am
Posted on 8/2/08 at 8:19 am to JohnStOnge
Why do you have so much animosity for Troy? Are you a little jealous?
Posted on 8/2/08 at 8:25 am to Hemi Man
Troy beat the hell out of BCS school Oklahoma State last year. Also let us not forget they almost beat us in 04 on our field.
Posted on 8/2/08 at 8:31 am to Hemi Man
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You can't really compare college teams year to year. Too much turnover in personel and the unknown thoughts of 18 and 19 year old kids.
I agree with that. Appalachian State is having its glory days right now. In 2004 they were talking about firing their head coach after finishing 6-5. They'd never made it to the championship game and had made it to the seminfinals only once.
I also think the 2006 North Carolina State game as a big asterik by it because Armanti Edwards was suited up for the first time as a freshman QB and did not start. He only had 2 passing attempts and 1 rushing attempt in the game.
Another thing to note is that the 2005 Kansas game was only their second running their current offense. Before that they were kind of a smash mouth type of program.
Posted on 8/2/08 at 9:00 am to NVTiger2007
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Troy beat the hell out of BCS school Oklahoma State last year. Also let us not forget they almost beat us in 04 on our field.
So do you think beating a 7-6 (6-6 against other I-As) Oklahoma State team that finished unranked at home was more impressive than beating a 9-4 (9-3 against other I-As) Michigan team that finished ranked 18th and 19th in the two major polls on the road?
On the 2004 Troy/LSU game. The score was close but it really shouldn't have been. LSU had 22 first downs to Troy's 9 and outgained the Trojans 386 to 150 in total yards. Troy had less than 100 total yards until its second to last posession of the game, when it drove 47 yards to kick a field goal and take the lead. Then it got another 7 yards on its last possession.
Appalachian State actally did a better job of competing with LSU in terms of being able to move the football. In that one first downs were 21-14 LSU and total yards were 371 - 256. And it wasn't one of those things where App just moved the ball after LSU got a big lead.
LSU turned it over 4 times in 2004 against Troy (0 for Troy) while the Tigers didn't have any turnovers against App State in 2005 (0 for App as well).
Troy did shut down LSU's running game (57 yards on 36 carries) while taking a "beat us throwing the ball if you're going to beat us" approach. LSU couldn't make them pay in terms of scoreboard (even though they got plenty of yards). But I wonder if the strategy would've been as effective if, instead of facing Marcus Randall at quarterback, they would've been looking at the quarterback (Jamarcus Russell) Appalachian State faced.
This post was edited on 8/2/08 at 9:03 am
Posted on 8/2/08 at 9:05 am to JohnStOnge
Well then how many 1A schools did Troy beat last year? Hom many did App St. beat? How many 1AA teams did each team lose to last year? See my point you can't decide which team is better, by who beat who. The only place to decide it, it is on the field. Where does Mcneese St. fall into this conversation? THEY DON'T THEY ARE IRRELEVANT.
Posted on 8/2/08 at 9:11 am to JohnStOnge
Let me add that I think the 2005 LSU team was just generally better than the 2004 squad. The 2004 team was good but finished 9-3, beat Oregon State in its opener only because of one of the most incredibly poor performances ever by a placekicker, was blown out 45-16 by Georgia, did not win the SEC West, and lost to Iowa in its Bowl game.
The 2005 LSU team finished 11-2 and won the SEC West. It did lose 34-14 in the SEC title game to Georgia but walloped Miami 40-3 in its Bowl game.
The 2005 LSU team finished 11-2 and won the SEC West. It did lose 34-14 in the SEC title game to Georgia but walloped Miami 40-3 in its Bowl game.
This post was edited on 8/2/08 at 9:12 am
Posted on 8/2/08 at 9:20 am to Hemi Man
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Well then how many 1A schools did Troy beat last year? Hom many did App St. beat? How many 1AA teams did each team lose to last year? See my point you can't decide which team is better, by who beat who. The only place to decide it, it is on the field. Where does Mcneese St. fall into this conversation? THEY DON'T THEY ARE IRRELEVANT.
Ahhh...an opportunity to mention that McNeese's historical record against Troy (State) is 8-4. All before Troy went I-A of course.
Otherwise, the only way I can work McNeese into this is to say the Cowboys are 2-0 against the Sun Belt and demonstrated the level of "I-A" compeition Troy has most of its wins over by winning 38-17 at ULL last season the week prior to Troy beating the Cajuns 48-31.
Appalachian State beat 1 I-A team last year. It'd have beaten more if it'd been playing Sun Belt teams, though.
Posted on 8/2/08 at 10:24 am to JohnStOnge
All kidding aside, you never know how things are going to turn out but I think Appalachian State is probably going to have the best football team of LSU's non conference opponents. If you're comparing them to Troy one thing that jumps out is that Troy lost a quarterback that was very important to their competetiveness level last season while Appalachian State has its outstanding quarterback returning.
Going back to the Sagarin ratings thing, Appalachian State finished ahead of all three of the other teams on LSU's schedule in 2005, 2006, and 2007.
Power ratings aren't the end-all but it's part of the picture. I just think that if I had to pick right now without having seen the 2008 teams actually play I'd say Appalachian State would be favored over 2008 Troy, North Texas, or Tulane on a neutral field. Who the Mountaineers have at quarterback is a big factor. If anything happens to him it completely changes things.
Going back to the Sagarin ratings thing, Appalachian State finished ahead of all three of the other teams on LSU's schedule in 2005, 2006, and 2007.
Power ratings aren't the end-all but it's part of the picture. I just think that if I had to pick right now without having seen the 2008 teams actually play I'd say Appalachian State would be favored over 2008 Troy, North Texas, or Tulane on a neutral field. Who the Mountaineers have at quarterback is a big factor. If anything happens to him it completely changes things.
This post was edited on 8/2/08 at 10:25 am
Posted on 8/2/08 at 11:11 am to JohnStOnge
I don't put a lot of stock in the ratings,but they are fun to look at. I don't mean to take anything away from APP St. They are a good team but, them beating Troy on paper means nothing. At the end of the season we will know which one of LSU's OOC games was the toughest.
As for your record against Troy, that's nice, but we have moved on to bigger and better things now and hope to continue to grow.
You think App St would have beaten Sunbelt teams?Alabama though they would have also.
As for your record against Troy, that's nice, but we have moved on to bigger and better things now and hope to continue to grow.
You think App St would have beaten Sunbelt teams?Alabama though they would have also.
Posted on 8/2/08 at 1:23 pm to Hemi Man
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I don't put a lot of stock in the ratings,but they are fun to look at.
What power ratings like Sagarin's do is basically compare all scores comprehensively and simultaneously. I think they end up doing pretty well. There's a web site that shows their performance at LINK . If you click on one link there you can get to LINK . It's interesting because you can compare how various power rating systems did in predicting winners vs. how well the updated Vegas line did. For games in which lines were established the favorite by the Vegas line won 74% of the time in 2007 while the favorite by Sagarin won 71% of the time. In 2006 Sagarin did a little better as its favorites won 76% of the time to the updated line's favorites winning 75% of the time.
To me the Sagarin power rating ranking is kind of like what you'd get if you could base a ranking on who the favorites would be in matchups on neutral fields by the process that sets the line. I think you'd get a similar thing.
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I don't mean to take anything away from APP St. They are a good team but, them beating Troy on paper means nothing. At the end of the season we will know which one of LSU's OOC games was the toughest.
Yes. The only thing that would REALLY surprise me is if it turns out to be North Texas.
This post was edited on 8/2/08 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 8/2/08 at 1:40 pm to Hemi Man
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You think App St would have beaten Sunbelt teams?Alabama though they would have also.
Since it's inception, the Sun Belt is 2 - 7 against teams that went on to make the I-AA playoffs. McNeese, which was disappointing in getting blown out in the first round of last year's tournament, beat a Sun Belt team 38-17 last season.
I don't think it's unrealistic at all to think that Appalachian State could've gotten a number of I-A wins last season if it'd played all of the teams in the Sun Belt. I think the Sun Belt is basically equivalent in caliber to one of the stronger I-AA leagues and a very good I-AA such as App State was last year would definitely have a shot to win it if it were in it. Teams such as Delaware, Northern Iowa, and North Dakota State would also have fallen into that cateory last season.
Delaware beat Navy and Northern Iowa beat Iowa State. North Dakota State waxed MAC champion Central Michigan 44-14 and beat Minnesota 27-21. The score doesn't really do justice to how North Dakota State dominated Minnesota, either. The Bison rushed for 394 yards at 8 yard per carry. They had 27 first downs to Minnesota's 17 and a 585 to 307 edge in total yards.
Believe me, so far, there have been I-AA teams every year that could give anybody in the Sun Belt all they wanted and more. And App State's been one of them during the past three seasons.
This post was edited on 8/2/08 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 8/2/08 at 1:48 pm to JohnStOnge
Week in and out I was disagree. On an occasion sure they might beat a few. Every year the Sunbelt is getting stronger. I don't think any longer that you can compare it to a 1AA league.
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