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Posted on 10/3/14 at 6:58 am to YouAre8Up
Auburn isn't spread, very few big schools are still spread. Football is evolving to multi formation pistol and gun offenses but that's not spread either. The question is what does spread mean? Is it formations or concepts or up tempo? Either way it doesn't matter what you run. It matters if your kids execute it. PS. I've heard many many d coordinators say that the hardest offense to lineup to is balanced two tight 1 back because of how much it stresses their front line and forces safeties to the box. most of them beg teams to line up in 2 by 2 gun back. Because it's easy as hell to lineup to
Posted on 10/3/14 at 7:03 am to bdnc
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bdnc
I give you a 4.2 on the trollometer. Your persistence is admirable. And your use of selective capitalization to invite attacks on your intelligence was moderately successful. But your own ad hominem attacks were trotted out a little too early and too often and lacked imagination (although the occasional intentional grammatical error showed some promise). Also, your subject line was awkwardly worded removing some of its punch.
I think you would benefit from repeating the course.
Posted on 10/3/14 at 7:24 am to BatonrougeCajun
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Auburn isn't spread,
they run plenty spread option.
LINK
they run it the majority of the time so it is their base. nobody has to run it 100% of the time to call it that.
This post was edited on 10/3/14 at 7:49 am
Posted on 10/3/14 at 7:42 am to Methuselah
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I give you a 4.2 on the trollometer. Your persistence is admirable. And your use of selective capitalization to invite attacks on your intelligence was moderately successful. But your own ad hominem attacks were trotted out a little too early and too often and lacked imagination (although the occasional intentional grammatical error showed some promise). Also, your subject line was awkwardly worded removing some of its punch.
Awkwardly? 4.2 out of what? Maybe you should try again?
Posted on 10/3/14 at 7:59 am to BatonrougeCajun
Auburn is totally spread! And the bashing this kid has gotten is ridiculous! He might not have said it in the right way but we need more spread principles in our offense! We'll be multiple in what we do, using formations to give us what we want and Cam has shown he wants to go fast! He wants to tempo opposing defenses because it drains you mentally and physically! Also the faster you go, the defense has to stay in a vanilla base defense!
And to the guy that said OU isn't spread needs to learn what the spread is! Yes, they look to run the ball but they are in the gun 90% of the time! They are multiple in the formations they use but they are without a doubt a spread team! I just don't see anyone winning a championship running 2 tight, 2 back anymore! Everyone wants to use Bama as an example, but even they have gone to more and more one back sets! It's all about a numbers game!
And to the guy that said OU isn't spread needs to learn what the spread is! Yes, they look to run the ball but they are in the gun 90% of the time! They are multiple in the formations they use but they are without a doubt a spread team! I just don't see anyone winning a championship running 2 tight, 2 back anymore! Everyone wants to use Bama as an example, but even they have gone to more and more one back sets! It's all about a numbers game!
Posted on 10/3/14 at 8:04 am to ThaGenius
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Auburn is totally spread! And the bashing this kid has gotten is ridiculous! He might not have said it in the right way but we need more spread principles in our offense! We'll be multiple in what we do, using formations to give us what we want and Cam has shown he wants to go fast! He wants to tempo opposing defenses because it drains you mentally and physically! Also the faster you go, the defense has to stay in a vanilla base defense!
And to the guy that said OU isn't spread needs to learn what the spread is! Yes, they look to run the ball but they are in the gun 90% of the time! They are multiple in the formations they use but they are without a doubt a spread team! I just don't see anyone winning a championship running 2 tight, 2 back anymore! Everyone wants to use Bama as an example, but even they have gone to more and more one back sets! It's all about a numbers game!
Finally, thx
Posted on 10/3/14 at 8:05 am to Revelator
the offense is predictable,at least be creative
Posted on 10/3/14 at 8:11 am to growler
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the offense is predictable,at least be creative
That’s what the SPREAD gives you, creativity ... it’s not just a pass offense, i’ll repeat, Auburn led the nation in rushing, running the ball 70% of the time.
Posted on 10/3/14 at 8:20 am to Jim Rockford
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See how that goes? There is nothing new under the sun. By the time "Everybody" is running something, it's almost always time for the next big thing, which is usually a variation of something that's been seen before.
Which is why there is one offense that has stood the test of time....the pro style power offense. Power running game with a QB who CAN throw the ball accurately. It is impossible to defense IF you have both. Hopefully Brandon Harris will give us both. It's not exciting enough for these young kids who always jump on board with the latest craze....BUT it stands the test of time....run properly, with a good qb and the ability to open things up, it is the best offense out there to WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS with. Again, the kids on this site don't get that...yet.
Posted on 10/3/14 at 8:24 am to bdnc
The spread, young child, is the whore of Babylon. She intrigues you with her beauty, and the seeming ease with which she amasses points. Don't be ashamed for falling prey to her allure.....many have.
Turn from her Siren's call, my child, and instead, hold firmly and fastly to the institutions of the generations before you. Those great institutions - El La Blocking, and El La Tackling - do not change. They are stone pillars in a world of sandy bottom.
He who holdeth firmly and fastly to the old ways, and teaches them to their children, keeps their children pure in heart and spirit, lest they too be seduced by the whore. Ignore the whore's Siren call, and always praise El La Blocking and El La Tackling. You will not be longsuffering.
Turn from her Siren's call, my child, and instead, hold firmly and fastly to the institutions of the generations before you. Those great institutions - El La Blocking, and El La Tackling - do not change. They are stone pillars in a world of sandy bottom.
He who holdeth firmly and fastly to the old ways, and teaches them to their children, keeps their children pure in heart and spirit, lest they too be seduced by the whore. Ignore the whore's Siren call, and always praise El La Blocking and El La Tackling. You will not be longsuffering.
Posted on 10/3/14 at 8:42 am to bdnc
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Watching Arizona and Oregon go at it, both teams run the SPREAD, not a hybrid of the spread, but the pure unadulterated SPREAD. The options given in the SPREAD are innumerable
The only thing that isn't an "option" for these guys is winning a national title. The past 10 national title winners did not run an "unadulterated spread". Its a good way to neutralize a disadvantage in talent, but once you reach the elite level, execution matters more than scheme.
Posted on 10/3/14 at 8:55 am to OldManRiver
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If by SPREAD! you mean lining up with 3 WR and 1 RB, and running and passing equally out of that formation, then I'm with you.
That is exactly what he is saying because he mentioned Auburn led the nation in running last year and ran 60-70% of the time out of that formation. It worked for them except when they played us but they almost won the Natty with that.
And it seems when we have 3 WR and spread out the defense we have more options to throw when we play action to the RB, and the RB now have more wide open prairie to run the ball.
All of the horseshite about Oregon and their high powered offense can't win Championships does not matter if you also recruit on the Def side of the ball. Imagine if Oregon has a great Def then what difference does it make if they run 80 plays and score 50 per game, they have the Def to stop the other team. That would be great to have a variety in your offense. If we would embrace a little more spread but with run principles when we are up then that would be great, backed by a great defense.
The diff with LSU and Miles is that we would go to the run game in the mid 3rd Qtr to run some clock and wear the other team down even more, and give our def more rest. Our games with a good spread offense would avg 38 points and the def allows 12 compared to an Oregon team that would avg 48 points but give up 23 per game
Posted on 10/3/14 at 9:59 am to GeauxstsofLSU
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The past 10 national title winners did not run an "unadulterated spread".
Call it what you will, but Texas (Vince Young), UF (Tebow), and AU (Cam) all ran offenses closely akin to AZ (Rich Rod) and Oregon and won national titles.
To be sure, "spread" needs some definition. I think some confuse 5-wide formations (a true spread) with zone-reads from a shotgun.
Posted on 10/3/14 at 10:00 am to GeauxstsofLSU
DELETE - duplicate post
This post was edited on 10/3/14 at 10:04 am
Posted on 10/3/14 at 10:12 am to AlwysATgr
Ok so for most of you spread means how people line up. Not what plays you actually run.
auburn isnt spread, they are multi formation pistol. They have a H back who is the lead blocker on damn near every run play especially their slice play which is everyones new favorite play.
True spread offenses are 4 wr, 1 back. No Tight End or Fullback/H-back, running speed option, veer, dart and GT counter. Throwing tunnels, bubbles and 4 verticals with a host of concepts off of it. It's
Very simple which gives it the abilty to be a fast offense.
auburn isnt spread, they are multi formation pistol. They have a H back who is the lead blocker on damn near every run play especially their slice play which is everyones new favorite play.
True spread offenses are 4 wr, 1 back. No Tight End or Fullback/H-back, running speed option, veer, dart and GT counter. Throwing tunnels, bubbles and 4 verticals with a host of concepts off of it. It's
Very simple which gives it the abilty to be a fast offense.
Posted on 10/3/14 at 10:43 am to BatonrougeCajun
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auburn isnt spread,
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they are multi formation pistol.
yes they use plenty pistol with one back and sometimes two H backs. 3 and 4 Wr's. BFD.
so i see a team using shotgun 4 and 5 wide and we cannot call that a "spread" formation? According to you it is SHOTGUN ONLY. LMAO.
Especially if they use that the MAJORITY of the time?
Did you even read the link above?
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True spread offenses are 4 wr, 1 back
some are, but not all. Auburn uses 3 and 4 wides in their SPREAD attack.
Meyer ran spread option and he was not in 4 wide single back all the time. and no, spread does NOT have to be hurry up. you can run TMNH out of a damn goal line formation if you wish to.
you are trying to fit a a square peg into a round hole. give it up.
This post was edited on 10/3/14 at 11:13 am
Posted on 10/3/14 at 10:43 am to Dubaitiger
Dubaitiger, I had given up all hope for all mankind but i can now see one soul not given over to ignorance, obtuseness, and Satan ...
Posted on 10/3/14 at 10:57 am to TigerTreyjpg
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The spread, young child, is the whore of Babylon. She intrigues you with her beauty, and the seeming ease with which she amasses points. Don't be ashamed for falling prey to her allure.....many have.
Turn from her Siren's call, my child, and instead, hold firmly and fastly to the institutions of the generations before you. Those great institutions - El La Blocking, and El La Tackling - do not change. They are stone pillars in a world of sandy bottom.
He who holdeth firmly and fastly to the old ways, and teaches them to their children, keeps their children pure in heart and spirit, lest they too be seduced by the whore. Ignore the whore's Siren call, and always praise El La Blocking and El La Tackling. You will not be long-suffering.
Very clever, love the King James and the reference to the great Whore, Babylon, the wicked Satan, no less, but thou has been bewitched thyself and has loved folly instead of wisdom, your time has past my son and your water has stagnated, save those yet around thee and grab thy sword and fall upon it
Posted on 10/3/14 at 11:34 am to bdnc
So all spread means to you people is formation...I got it.
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