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re: one of the main reasons i like coach O and think he'll be a success at LSU
Posted on 4/30/17 at 12:21 pm to MOT
Posted on 4/30/17 at 12:21 pm to MOT
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You keep saying this like it was a bad thing. Who put the TE coach in charge of the offense?
Not meant to come off as being a bad thing. It is a fact, though that LSU had a TE's coach running the offense for the last 8 games last year. It is a GREAT thing that this season LSU will have a Broyles Award candidate as the OC.
No knock on SE, I thought he did an excellent job. I just happen to think that Canada with SE's assistance will be able to do better this coming season.
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Posted on 4/30/17 at 12:24 pm to Tiger Ree
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I just happen to think that Canada with SE's assistance will be able to do better this coming season.
LSU lost ALOT of talent on offense..... And the QB position is still iffy...........
Posted on 4/30/17 at 12:25 pm to BayouBengals18
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Hiring Canada and Robinson has nothing to do with handing the ball off to Guice and Fournette last season against teams that all ranked 100+ in rush defense.
So YOU are one of the few who thinks the offense DIDN'T look better after Miles was canned????
Posted on 4/30/17 at 12:28 pm to dukke v
No, I agree it looked better in most of the games.. But what did Ensminger and O have to lose by opening it up? Reetard for some reason thinks that it's Juluke's fault that Guice went the wrong way..
Posted on 4/30/17 at 12:32 pm to BayouBengals18
And Miles was gifted what Saban built. Miles was slowly but surely destroying it too. It's irrelevant that ole miss was "a program he built". He's not building anything here. Just had to make some changes that Miles refused to. And last season Orgeron did at least as well as Miles would have done, and he was thrown into the fire of Les' mess mid-season with a TEs coach as OC
Posted on 4/30/17 at 12:34 pm to BayouBengals18
Well this thread is exactly what it should be, the same people arguing the same points.
Reality is O needs to go 10-3 at least for a successful season. LSU has WAY too much talent for anything less. If he doesn't follow that up with multiple 10+ seasons then it was a mistake. LSU doesn't want to be a 9 win team
Reality is O needs to go 10-3 at least for a successful season. LSU has WAY too much talent for anything less. If he doesn't follow that up with multiple 10+ seasons then it was a mistake. LSU doesn't want to be a 9 win team
Posted on 4/30/17 at 12:34 pm to BayouBengals18
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But what did Ensminger and O have to lose by opening it up?
And why couldn't Miles do this with the same talent... The O was run much smoother after Miles and Cam left... No looking at the sideline every play and letting the playclock get down to like 3 seconds and then call timeout and then take almost 30 seconds to get the play in after the TO.... Those are the kind of things that Miles did with a lot of his teams....And its what cost him his job... Just think with the talent we have had the last 5 years and opened it up what could have been......
Posted on 4/30/17 at 12:36 pm to MOT
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That's the same winning percentage that got Miles on the hot seat in 2015 and eventually fired.
Not exactly. It wasn't just his record in 2015. His teams had blown out in three consecutive games and really weren't competitive. Combine that with his last two and half plus seasons yielding a 19-10 record or 0.655 winning percentage. There was a downward trajectory.
Not to mention that O had to right a sinking ship and salvage the season.
I'm not saying that Orgeron should have been the top candidate and he wasn't but, after Herman was no longer available, the remaining field was unremarkable and no one on this board knows if the other possibilities had any interest in LSU.
Miles had his chance and he was supported through many of his blunders. O deserves that level of support as well.
This post was edited on 4/30/17 at 2:47 pm
Posted on 4/30/17 at 12:38 pm to Rickdaddy4188
Actually he did choose his OC at lsu. He fired CC. Stupid arse. Get your facts straight before you spew ignorance
Posted on 4/30/17 at 12:39 pm to lsu2006
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You're a dipshit
Your whole post. When someone comes out victorious in an argument the first thing to do is to call the other person a name - NOT !!!
Thanks !!!
Posted on 4/30/17 at 12:44 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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but do you really believe NS, UM, JF, or JH of the college football world are successful cause of their OC or DC??
Yes, very much. Do you think Nick Saban runs the Alabama offense? Does Jimbo run Florida State's defense? I believe Urban was also never a coordinator before becoming head coach, but if he is known for offense, does he run Ohio States defense? If JH stands for Jim Harbaugh I would wait until he accomplishes something before lumping him with Nick, Jimbo and Urban.
Posted on 4/30/17 at 12:45 pm to Tiger Ree
Sorry you're too simple-minded to understand that questioning a hire =\= wanting said hire to fail. You've made an arse of yourself in this thread, as you do in every single thread I've read involving Orgeron. Thank you for the entertainment
Posted on 4/30/17 at 12:50 pm to BayouBengals18
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Think of it as someone else did 90% of the work(I'll give O 10% since he was DL/RC), yet you get credit for the finished product
Think of it as the person who did 90% of the work (Kiffin) sucked. Then Coach O takes over the same exact thing Kiffin had and does a much, much better job. Including beating the #4 ranked team in the country.
Why wouldn't Coach O get credit for doing something Kiffin couldn't come close to doing?
Posted on 4/30/17 at 12:51 pm to JohnnyU
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O deserves that level of support as well
Absolutely, it isn't his fault that Alleva is a colossal screw up as an athletic director. Orgeron and the program can be supported without sticking your head in the sand and attempting to make this hire into something it wasn't.
If you read some of the comments on this board you can tell the goal posts are already moving to benefit Orgeron, and the talking points from the PR department are taking root.
Posted on 4/30/17 at 1:02 pm to BayouBengals18
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but is ridiculous to anyone that knows football. Surround yourself with the best coordinators to hide your deficiencies?
And you just happen to be one of the "anyone" who knows football? Ha Ha Ha
Just when you think the board couldn't get any more stupid than it already is. You don't think that he might be surrounding himself with the best coordinators to win football games and championships?
you think he should not hire good coordinators to prove he is a good coach.
To think I called the LSU fans who wanted to hire Kiffin idiots, Hah.
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Any other coach with the LSU program's backing would've brought in just as good/better on paper coaches.
Les Miles certainly did. He made the best offensive hires in the history of college football.
Posted on 4/30/17 at 1:15 pm to Elleshoe
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He didn't win any games we wouldn't have won with Les running the show
Would that be Les with Cam Cameron or SE running the offense? Would it even matter who was running the offense for Les?
Would Les have set three all-time LSU offensive records with SE as the OC?
Posted on 4/30/17 at 1:17 pm to Tiger Ree
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Just when you think the board couldn't get any more stupid than it already is.
Funny coming from you. Look, there's no way around it, Alleva completely botched this hire. There's no argument you can make that won't be shot down with multiple facts, while everything you base your arguments on is hope. LSU, as a program, should be able to go out and get, at minimum, a top 10 CFB coach. They did not. Will I quit going to games? No. I'll still be in 405 every home game, because I'm an LSU fan. That doesn't mean I have to agree with everything that happens within the program. Hell, I wanted Les gone after the Ole Miss spike debacle, but he earned a chance to right the ship. O has ridden the coat tails of some good coaches at elite programs. He did not earn a chance to be handed a top 5 CFB job.
Posted on 4/30/17 at 1:18 pm to BayouBengals18
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So USC fans and players wanted him hired?
Everybody associated with the program, including alumni like Marcus Allen, wanted to hire Coach O. There was only one person who didn't and he is no longer associated with USC. I'm sure regrets his decision to hire Steve Sarkesian rather than Coach O.
Posted on 4/30/17 at 1:21 pm to BayouBengals18
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At OM, that was the program that O built
He was only their three years. His first recruiting class benefitted the following coach a lot more than it ever did Coach O. Coach O had shite to work with and that is why the previous coach was fired.
Posted on 4/30/17 at 1:22 pm to Tiger Ree
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He was only their three years
And it was their worst three year stretch in the history of the program. You don't get it.
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