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re: Ole Miss losing is not good for LSU.

Posted on 9/25/09 at 2:51 pm to
Posted by omegaman66
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Posted on 9/25/09 at 2:51 pm to
It is really pretty simply. If LSU goes undefeated then we would want Ole Miss to win, but in the real world your competition losing a game makes it easier on LSU to make it to the SEC Championship game.

LSU or most any SEC schedule is plenty tough enough to get them to the NC game if they keep on winning.
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 9/25/09 at 2:55 pm to
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it appears to me that we should be more worried about the Ws and Ls of our division, because it doesn't appear likely we will run the table
by the same token, there's no guarantee that ole miss losing will do anything to help lsu. ark '06 proved that. the usc loss galvenized the team and they went on a tear. even a loss to lsu couldn't keep them out of the seccg. therefore, it doesn't make much sense to pull for something (ole miss losing) when we have no idea what affect it will have. however, we know for sure that if ole miss hadn't lost to an unranked team that we don't play, that would AT LEAST have helped lsu's sos. furthermore, if west teams other than lsu beat up on each other, then lsu gets the best of both worlds.
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 9/25/09 at 2:58 pm to
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Do you not understand what losing the West means? Right, rankings and who beat whom mean didly.
holy cow. i've said several times lsu can win the west AND have ole miss not lose to unranked teams that we don't play. ole miss losing to west teams helps lsu win the west and lsu won't take a sos hit. it's the best possible scenario.
Posted by liquid rabbit
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Posted on 9/25/09 at 2:59 pm to
I cannot envision any scenario in which I would prefer Ole Miss to win rather than lose. But that's just me.
Posted by AlxTgr
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Posted on 9/25/09 at 3:00 pm to
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it doesn't make much sense to pull for something (ole miss losing) when we have no idea what affect it will have. however, we know for sure that if ole miss hadn't lost to an unranked team that we don't play, that would AT LEAST have helped lsu's sos


We know for sure Ole Miss has 1 loss. We know for sure LSU has 0 losses. We know for sure that 1 > 0.
Posted by Archie Bengal Bunker
Member since Jun 2008
15597 posts
Posted on 9/25/09 at 3:00 pm to
Wow, this thread didn't go as planned did it?

I agree though, I think Ole Miss will play more fired up now. But seeing as how we don't play till November, a lot can happen between now and then.
Posted by bigbowe80
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 9/25/09 at 3:01 pm to
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BFNII,

The post was in response to your thread in page 8 I think it was where you were saying it wasn't in theory but in reality about your BEST likely scenario's. I was trying to make the point to you that so is the chances of me winning the lottery but I guess you didn't seem to follow the logic or maybe it was cause you didn't want to follow it.

#1 I was acknowledging the fact that your "theory" about LSU winning every game this year was based in reality in the realm of possibility but so is the chance I could win the lottery.

#2 It could happen what you were saying about us going undefeated, it could happen that I win the lottery. Obviously I don't think it's that bad a chances but the bigger point was I don't like the chances of either actually happening.

#3 I know you listed several reasons why in "theory" or in "very small chance of occuring" it would be better for LSU to have Ole Miss win last night. My point I like to look at the big picture what I predict will be best for LSU to happen over the whole year. If you think in your mind LSU will have a much better chance of winning all of their games this year then by all means I agree with you on this point. But if you are a realist and like 99% of the fans, commentators, college football analist and feel like their is a decent chance LSU might lose a couple games this year due to schedule, inexperience etc. don't you get why we would want to be proactive about pulling for teams in the same division to lose?

#4 Look all I'm saying is me and you think different and I don't think any amount of you trying to convince me is gonna change it and me convincing you will change what you think. We come from two different mindsets on this subject, we both want LSU to win and be successful, but we look at it from two different angles.

bfniii, it's also not a theory that I could win the lottery today and be a rich millionaire by tommorrow. It's not a theory, there's a real chance it could happen in the real world of possibilities, (however small it is, that it could happen) and we all know that would be the best possible scenario, however unlikely it is.

That's kinda the same thing your saying with your Best possible scenario. We all know it's not a theory, it could in fact happen, but the overwhelming odds are it's not!!

Therefore, In the world of who I pull for each week, I'm not willing to wait until LSU loses and then reavulate the whole scenario because by then it might be too late. I'm obviously gonna pull for LSU to win every game they play, meanwhile hoping for a few upsets by west teams.

Historically, that's the best way for LSU to be the most successful, and until LSU gets royally screwed like Auburn did, I'll take my chances.

If anything, SOS has done nothing but been HUGE for LSU. I know you two SOS fanatics remember 2003 and staying up till 4 am making sure Notre Dame lost to Hawaii giving us just enough SOS to beat out USC.

How about 2007 when the Virginia Tech blowout catipulted us into the game.

If anything we've been more than fortunate with SOS over the years, it's proven to be one of the biggest assets we had in getting our crystals
This post was edited on 9/25/09 at 3:03 pm
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 9/25/09 at 3:01 pm to
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in the real world your competition losing a game makes it easier on LSU to make it to the SEC Championship game.
losing a game is fine. lose to a west team. not an east team because that hurts lsu.
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 9/25/09 at 3:03 pm to
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We know for sure Ole Miss has 1 loss. We know for sure LSU has 0 losses. We know for sure that 1 > 0
we also know for a fact that lsu's sos just took a hit. whereas had ole miss lost to a west team, that wouldn't have happened. which is better?
Posted by AlxTgr
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Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 9/25/09 at 3:03 pm to
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lsu can win the west AND have ole miss not lose to unranked teams that we don't play.


Sure, but that doesn't change the the fact that the proposition in the og post is dead wrong.
Posted by AlxTgr
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Member since Oct 2003
86401 posts
Posted on 9/25/09 at 3:05 pm to
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we also know for a fact that lsu's sos just took a hit. whereas had ole miss lost to a west team, that wouldn't have happened. which is better?


You keep phrasing it as a choice. There is no choice. The assertion, again, "Ole Miss losing is not good for LSU." Wrong, sorry. It's good.
Posted by bigbowe80
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
3762 posts
Posted on 9/25/09 at 3:10 pm to
The arkansas 06 loss to USC was bad because that was an OOC loss that hurt the reputation of the SEC. It also didn't give Arkansas a loss in the SEC which if it would have would have sent LSU to the SEC champ game.

Your comparison that it didn't help LSU is true because it wasn't an SEC game. It also made your comparison of that to last night toally different. Totally different scenario than what happened last night.

Comparing Apples to Oranges
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
86401 posts
Posted on 9/25/09 at 3:12 pm to
bfniii,

I'm gone for the weekend. I'll be looking for your posts at the end of the year because they are so helpful. I really appreciate those. The ones in the beginning, not so much.

Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 9/25/09 at 3:12 pm to
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You keep phrasing it as a choice.
it's not a choice, it's what is best for lsu. before the game, lsu needed ole miss to win because they were playing a team lsu doesn't play. lose to a common opponent, not scar. therefore, it's not as good for lsu that ole miss lost to scar as it would have been had ole miss lost to a common opponent. i was responding to a comment that someone made that it's better for lsu's overall body of work, which is demonstrably false
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 9/25/09 at 3:16 pm to
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Your comparison that it didn't help LSU is true because it wasn't an SEC game. It also made your comparison of that to last night toally different. Totally different scenario than what happened last night.
someone made the comment that a loss hurts the mentality of a team. that's what i was responding to (at least i think so)
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
83043 posts
Posted on 9/25/09 at 3:57 pm to
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I cant believe anyone thinks a division rival losing to a nondivision team hurts LSU


i can't believe i've listed several reasons justifying it and yet unsubstantiated comments like this are still being made

It's because your reasons are not that strong. The goal is to get to Atlanta. Ole Miss losing makes that easier. Of course if LSU doesnt lose then it wouldnt matter...but when does LSU not drop a SEC game?
Posted by WHATDOINO
Member since Dec 2008
6900 posts
Posted on 9/25/09 at 4:25 pm to
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any time a western opponent goes down to an eastern opponent it's good for LSU


This
Posted by WHATDOINO
Member since Dec 2008
6900 posts
Posted on 9/25/09 at 4:31 pm to
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LSU needs to win the West first and foremost, and if LSU takes care of bizness SOS won't be a concern.




This is the only goal. Win the west. Every loss by western opponent is great.
Posted by Geauxtiga
No man's land
Member since Jan 2008
34400 posts
Posted on 9/25/09 at 5:10 pm to
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This is the only goal. Win the west. Every loss by western opponent is great.
Wrong and wrong.

First, the only goal is to win a National Championship which can't be done without the conference one.

Secondly, it's better for all teams WE play to beat everyone else and US beat them. We do play Ole Miss.
Posted by WHATDOINO
Member since Dec 2008
6900 posts
Posted on 9/25/09 at 6:12 pm to
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Geauxtiga


You probably are the worst poster on this board.

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First, the only goal is to win a National Championship which can't be done without the conference one.


Do you even fricking realize that you just said the exact thing I stated. If LSU doesn't win the west, THEN HOW THE frick are they going to win a national championship? YOU HAVE TO WIN THE WEST FIRST!!!

I swear, some people make me wonder about reproduction.


This post was edited on 9/25/09 at 6:15 pm
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