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re: Old JaMarcus
Posted on 8/2/08 at 10:30 pm to latiger09
Posted on 8/2/08 at 10:30 pm to latiger09
Hey tigerbait shithead,you can blow russell all you want you clusterfrick, and shove his stats up your arse, however, he was nowhere to be found in 1st 2nd and 3rd team all america teams, along with any Heisman talk. LSU beat a crappy Notre Dame team in the Sugar Bowl and yall think that made Russell the best QB in college football that year, and 06 was the best year any qb at LSU ever had, and he was the best LSU ever had. Lets ask Auburn (3 points) and Florida (10 points, 3 interceptions,and a fumble at the one foot line)how fantastic Russell was. And also to the idiot that thinks Tommy Hodson would not have beaten out a Marcus Randall in Hodsons redshirt freshman season, you need to put down the crack pipe. If Russell could not even beat out Marcus Randall throughout the 04 season, thats all anyone needs to know about where Russell stands in LSU QB lore. Name me one damn good team ever that Russell beat going away. Hell, Russell could not even beat a Tennessee team bailed out by a wounded duck pass throwing Ricky Clausen even after a 21 point lead at home! Russell benefited greatly by LSU's defense and great recieving core as much as anything. Hell, in the Arizona St. game, if we don't score 2 touchdowns by our special teams, Russell gets the hell beat out of him with hardly any offensive production from him. Ole miss takes us to overtime at home with superstar Russell leading LSU in 06 also. OLE fricking MISS. Lord have mercy, get over the Russell the best qb ever shite, finally clowns!
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Posted on 8/2/08 at 11:24 pm to SlowFlowPro
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dude it was a coaching decision
There you go with another excuse that we hadn't heard before. Congratulations
I wonder why Flynn was allowed to run the ball with a bum ankle and a separated shoulder yet Jamarcus at about 260 lbs was told not to run? That makes a lot of sense.
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how would a QB occasionally running help out our running game?
If you watch JR you will never figure it out.
Simply because it's another option the defense has to worry about. They have to keep a spy on the quarterback.
Did you not see RP make run after run then pitch out to Williams for a long run.
Mauck turned our first SEC Championship in recent history in our favor by running the ball. I remember Flynn surprising Miami early in the game by making a long run.
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those are team stats what if you get points/wins without passing the ball?
Exactly! Isn't that what we have been arguing. The guy who leads us to the most offensive points is the best leader. If we have to depend on the defense to block kicks and score points as we did vs Arizona State and Tennessee in the SEC Championship, why should a quarterback get credit for that.
Do we value individual accomplishments, Heisman Trophies, leading the nation in passing statistics or rushing statistics over national championships?
You can make excuses for the Auburn debacle but Arkansas didn't need excuses the following week.
How many passes did Ted Ginn catch last year? Would you trade Bowe, Davis, and Ginn for all those receivers that you mentioned?
Posted on 8/2/08 at 11:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
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but was tommy hodson ever the best QB in CFB? JR was in 2006
I thought Colt Brennan was?
Posted on 8/2/08 at 11:31 pm to tigerstros
clicked this thread for the first time and tigerstros post came up first for me.
what a complete dumbass. so a freshman couldnt beat out a senior QB, that means he cant be one of LSU's best QB ever?
what a complete dumbass. so a freshman couldnt beat out a senior QB, that means he cant be one of LSU's best QB ever?
Posted on 8/2/08 at 11:35 pm to bayoubengal4life
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I thought Colt Brennan was?
Brennan had the best QB rating in 06', but you have to take regard into the competition Hawaii plays against.
Posted on 8/2/08 at 11:37 pm to roygu
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I wonder why Flynn was allowed to run the ball with a bum ankle and a separated shoulder yet Jamarcus at about 260 lbs was told not to run? That makes a lot of sense.
don't ask me. ask fisher/miles
dude you can go look up the playcalls. we didn't call QB running plays until that UT game
and we ran a different offense in 2007. we ran a lot of spread option b/c crowton uses the spread option
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Simply because it's another option the defense has to worry about. They have to keep a spy on the quarterback.
whatever spy that is on the QB will be off the QB as soon as he diagnoses run, which will be about the first 0.5 seconds
you can say a running QB can help the passing game, but a running QB won't help a traditional running game
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Did you not see RP make run after run then pitch out to Williams for a long run.
yeah that was the option. we almost never ran option under jimbo. crowton likes the option
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The guy who leads us to the most offensive points is the best leader.
not always
he can just have a stud running game that does all the work
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If we have to depend on the defense to block kicks and score points as we did vs Arizona State and Tennessee in the SEC Championship, why should a quarterback get credit for that.
he doesn't
you're the person who is trying to associate team stats with individual stats
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Do we value individual accomplishments, Heisman Trophies, leading the nation in passing statistics or rushing statistics over national championships?
they're 2 completely separate things
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You can make excuses for the Auburn debacle but Arkansas didn't need excuses the following week.
arky had a running game and used their speed at RB to kill auburn
we had fat alley/JV and slow hester who were absolutely shitty that day
flynn wasn't going to win against auburn that day
and based on you using team accomplishments to say who is better, casey dick > JR for the auburn game and flynn for the 2007 arky game. ALL HAIL CASEY DICK
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How many passes did Ted Ginn catch last year? Would you trade Bowe, Davis, and Ginn for all those receivers that you mentioned?
ginn was overrated in college, but he was better than buster davis and early
This post was edited on 8/2/08 at 11:41 pm
Posted on 8/2/08 at 11:38 pm to bayoubengal4life
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I thought Colt Brennan was?
you thought wrong
Posted on 8/2/08 at 11:39 pm to tigerstros
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Hey tigerbait shithead,you can blow russell all you want you clusterfrick, and shove his stats up your arse, however, he was nowhere to be found in 1st 2nd and 3rd team all america teams, along with any Heisman talk. LSU beat a crappy Notre Dame team in the Sugar Bowl and yall think that made Russell the best QB in college football that year, and 06 was the best year any qb at LSU ever had, and he was the best LSU ever had. Lets ask Auburn (3 points) and Florida (10 points, 3 interceptions,and a fumble at the one foot line)how fantastic Russell was. And also to the idiot that thinks Tommy Hodson would not have beaten out a Marcus Randall in Hodsons redshirt freshman season, you need to put down the crack pipe. If Russell could not even beat out Marcus Randall throughout the 04 season, thats all anyone needs to know about where Russell stands in LSU QB lore. Name me one damn good team ever that Russell beat going away. Hell, Russell could not even beat a Tennessee team bailed out by a wounded duck pass throwing Ricky Clausen even after a 21 point lead at home! Russell benefited greatly by LSU's defense and great recieving core as much as anything. Hell, in the Arizona St. game, if we don't score 2 touchdowns by our special teams, Russell gets the hell beat out of him with hardly any offensive production from him. Ole miss takes us to overtime at home with superstar Russell leading LSU in 06 also. OLE fricking MISS. Lord have mercy, get over the Russell the best qb ever shite, finally clowns!
Posted on 8/2/08 at 11:39 pm to tigerstros
Dear lord you are stupid.
Posted on 8/2/08 at 11:45 pm to roygu
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There you go with another excuse that we hadn't heard before. Congratulations
explain why the qb draw started being called more then.
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I wonder why Flynn was allowed to run the ball with a bum ankle and a separated shoulder yet Jamarcus at about 260 lbs was told not to run? That makes a lot of sense.
probably because unlike flynn, russell was capable of making big plays on a consistent basis with his arm and didnt need to run very often.
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Simply because it's another option the defense has to worry about. They have to keep a spy on the quarterback.
and most of the time the quarterback is going in the same direction as the running back anyway.
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Did you not see RP make run after run then pitch out to Williams for a long run.
no, actually i do not recall seeing williams breaking too many long runs after perrilloux had kept the ball for a few consecutive plays. give an example
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Mauck turned our first SEC Championship in recent history in our favor by running the ball. I remember Flynn surprising Miami early in the game by making a long run.
and? are you saying joseph addai dominating the miami defense in that game was because flynn ran for 20 yards on one play?
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The guy who leads us to the most offensive points is the best leader.
so colt brennan was the best quarterback in the coountry last year, right?
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If we have to depend on the defense to block kicks and score points as we did vs Arizona State and Tennessee in the SEC Championship, why should a quarterback get credit for that.
because he is the quarterback.
it sounds stupid doesnt it? im glad you agree, because thats exactly what your 'he won a championship' arguments sound like.
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Do we value individual accomplishments, Heisman Trophies, leading the nation in passing statistics or rushing statistics over national championships?
no. we credit individuals for individual accomplishments and teams for team accomplishments. i dont understand why this concept is so difficult for you to grasp.
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You can make excuses for the Auburn debacle but Arkansas didn't need excuses the following week.
what excuses did florida need for beating kentucky? or missouri for beating arkansas?
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How many passes did Ted Ginn catch last year?
34. thats 14 more than davis did. and what does their pro production have to do with being in college?
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Would you trade Bowe, Davis, and Ginn for all those receivers that you mentioned?
in college the only receiver i would prefer over ginn is bowe. smardzija and sweed would both be pretty close to bowe as well, and definitely ahead of davis and doucet.
i'll say it again. post the following:
tee martin is a better quarterback than peyton manning.
Posted on 8/2/08 at 11:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
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you thought wrong
so 2000 more yards, twice as many touchdowns, and 20 points higher of a rating don't mean anything to you? "well he played against weak competition" you say. probably so but i guess that disqualifies every qb that doesn't play in the sec for possibly holding the honor of best qb in a given year in your mind.
Posted on 8/2/08 at 11:56 pm to bayoubengal4life
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so 2000 more yards, twice as many touchdowns, and 20 points higher of a rating don't mean anything to you?
WAC + Run/Shoot
did you happen to watch the last sugar bowl?
Posted on 8/2/08 at 11:57 pm to bayoubengal4life
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probably so but i guess that disqualifies every qb that doesn't play in the sec for possibly holding the honor of best qb in a given year in your mind.
wow. even i know that is shitty logic.
Posted on 8/3/08 at 12:15 am to SlowFlowPro
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did you happen to watch the last sugar bowl?
i thought we were talking about 06? and its kind of tough to complete passes when you have 3 people attached to you as soon as you drop back to pass.
Posted on 8/3/08 at 12:21 am to Eighteen
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wow. even i know that is shitty logic.
is it really? i just said that brennan clearly had better stats than JR in 2006. Quinn also had more yards and a better TD/INT ratio. to say that these facts are invalid because they didn't play against equal competition is not fair. all you can compare are stats, that is why both quinn and brennan were honored higher than JR.
Posted on 8/3/08 at 12:23 am to tigerstros
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Hey tigerbait shithead,you can blow russell all you want you clusterfrick, and shove his stats up your arse, however, he was nowhere to be found in 1st 2nd and 3rd team all america teams, along with any Heisman talk. LSU beat a crappy Notre Dame team in the Sugar Bowl and yall think that made Russell the best QB in college football that year, and 06 was the best year any qb at LSU ever had, and he was the best LSU ever had. Lets ask Auburn (3 points) and Florida (10 points, 3 interceptions,and a fumble at the one foot line)how fantastic Russell was. And also to the idiot that thinks Tommy Hodson would not have beaten out a Marcus Randall in Hodsons redshirt freshman season, you need to put down the crack pipe. If Russell could not even beat out Marcus Randall throughout the 04 season, thats all anyone needs to know about where Russell stands in LSU QB lore. Name me one damn good team ever that Russell beat going away. Hell, Russell could not even beat a Tennessee team bailed out by a wounded duck pass throwing Ricky Clausen even after a 21 point lead at home! Russell benefited greatly by LSU's defense and great recieving core as much as anything. Hell, in the Arizona St. game, if we don't score 2 touchdowns by our special teams, Russell gets the hell beat out of him with hardly any offensive production from him. Ole miss takes us to overtime at home with superstar Russell leading LSU in 06 also. OLE fricking MISS. Lord have mercy, get over the Russell the best qb ever shite, finally clowns!
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"It's better to stay silent and look a fool, rather than speak and remove all doubt." - Mark Twain
This thread is full of win.
Posted on 8/3/08 at 12:30 am to bayoubengal4life
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is it really? i just said that brennan clearly had better stats than JR in 2006. Quinn also had more yards and a better TD/INT ratio. to say that these facts are invalid because they didn't play against equal competition is not fair. all you can compare are stats, that is why both quinn and brennan were honored higher than JR.
but getting honors and awards does not always equal true talent
which is why Jamarcus was the #1 pick in the draft, and Quinn and Brennan were not
Posted on 8/3/08 at 9:20 am to bayoubengal4life
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i just said that brennan clearly had better stats than JR in 2006.
he plays in a gimmick passing offense and played shite for competition. brennan couldn't hang with the big dogs
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Quinn also had more yards and a better TD/INT ratio.
again, playing shite competition
russell dominated in completion rate and ypa (almost 6 points and 2 ypa better, which says a lot)
quinn had 300 more yards, which only required 125 more passes. just b/c you pass more doesn't mean you're better. the same goes for colt brennan
Posted on 8/3/08 at 9:27 am to SlowFlowPro
Im curious if all the posters who think JaMarcus sucked or still sucks are the same ones who will defend a piece of crap QB like Jamie Howard or Chap Loup on these boards till the day they die. Just curious cause I still think JR is one of the best Tiger QB's ever and JH & CL sucked balls...but my guess is they were good kids and shouldn't be made fun of on a message board...I wonder what the hate on JR would be if he was QB when the team went 2-9 or 4-7 or threw 3 INTs for TDS
Posted on 8/3/08 at 10:41 am to danfraz
Ride Russells dick all you want boys, just give me the total of championships he won here if you can count that high! We win here because of our system, great defense, and more some years because of better decision making by quarterbacks. We also have great depth and very talented skill position players surrounding the Quarterbacks. Good coaching has been a big part also, so anyway, defend Russell all you want and his 05 SEC west crown, but I would rather defend LSU and our National reputation and Championships!
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