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re: Official "Vote for Charles Scott, Mike, and Les" Thread
Posted on 10/3/08 at 11:17 am to TheMonTSteR
Posted on 10/3/08 at 11:17 am to TheMonTSteR
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1. Georgia -- Most imaginative and elaborate arrangement, well performed. Loved the obbligato on the sideline percussion. Sorry guys, gotta be honest.
Obbligato? Have no clue what that means. I am assuming you mean that xylophone shite. Way too much of that.
LSU's made a better video and a much better presentation than the others, hands down.
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Posted on 10/3/08 at 11:48 am to Ramatiger
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You may claim to be a musicial professional, but your obviously not a good judge for this competition.
And you may claim not to be a homer, but I still question your objectivity -- as well as your own credentials as a "good judge for this competition."
I'm not out to toot my own horn here (pardon the pun), but I am an excellent judge for musicality. And Georgia's rendition of the Indiana Jones theme was the best in that respect. LSU's was a very close second. If you read my post carefully, I paid TGBFTL's brass a big compliment. If their arrangement had been just a little less cheesy and a little more inventive, I would have happily given them the top spot.
The horn flashes and dancing in place are gimmicky and unnecessary -- even for a marching band. Leave that stuff to the dance team and color guard. I've seen plenty of marching bands that dance around and have great footwork, but if they sound bad or play stupid music, I don't care about any of that stuff.
The power of LSU's brass overcame the cheese/hum-drum factor in their arrangement. They get kudos for that, but Georgia's score was far more ambitious, and they undeniably acquitted themselves well. Hence, they get the nod.
I loved the Les Miles bit at the end, and I thought the Tiger Girls' costumes were clever. But in the end, all of that is window dressing for the most important thing: the music. And Georgia's was slightly better.
That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.
Posted on 10/3/08 at 12:30 pm to TheMonTSteR
Tim Tebow QB Florida 10595 8%
Charles Scott RB LSU 8672 6%
Max Hall QB BYU 8593 6%
We passed Hall, next up Tebow. Only 1923 votes behind. Vote everyday!! This is the most important thing you will vote on this year
Charles Scott RB LSU 8672 6%
Max Hall QB BYU 8593 6%
We passed Hall, next up Tebow. Only 1923 votes behind. Vote everyday!! This is the most important thing you will vote on this year
Posted on 10/3/08 at 1:23 pm to Alright
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I am assuming you mean that xylophone s***. Way too much of that.
I think they had it mic'ed funny -- there's no way it would have been that loud in person. Still, I thought it was cool. But I can understand if you didn't like it. To each his own.
My point was that it was an interesting dimension of instrumentation that none of the other arrangements came close to. It's like difficulty points in gymnastics -- the harder the routine, the higher the potential score. Same with UGA, which is why I think they edged LSU out (again, only by the smallest of margins).
Posted on 10/3/08 at 1:23 pm to JollyGreenGiant
Good job JGG.
Plan your work; work your plan.
Plan your work; work your plan.
Posted on 10/3/08 at 2:06 pm to TheMonTSteR
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My point was that it was an interesting dimension of instrumentation that none of the other arrangements came close to. It's like difficulty points in gymnastics -- the harder the routine, the higher the potential score. Same with UGA, which is why I think they edged LSU out (again, only by the smallest of margins).
I can appreciate your opinion since you're obviously very knowledgeable in the technical aspects of the performances. However, the bands aren't being judged as they would be in a marching competition. It's all about creativity and entertainment, and LSU's band was tops in that regard. They were fun to watch and they sounded great...none of the other bands put it all together as well. They even did it without the color guard. I found the UGA band's video to be boring, and the xylophone on the sideline was distracting to me. I actually didn't even watch the whole thing. I got bored and turned it off.
Posted on 10/3/08 at 2:10 pm to TheMonTSteR
You keep talking about the musical arrangement, but you are missing the point of the competition. Simply having the best musical arrangement doesn't mean you should win this band contest. As a member of this year's Tiger Band, I can safely say that our arrangement is pretty damn strong. The LSU pregame intro that we used and the Tiger Rag theme of "Hold that Tiger" make the song something of our own. I would hardly call it cheesy, more like kick arse. And our horn flashes killed every other band. The other bands were all boring and had nothing to wow the audience. Here's why we are the best: great arrangement, great horn flashes, Les Miles, Mike the Tiger, and the hottest dance team in the country. So go play with yourself now and have a great day
Posted on 10/3/08 at 2:26 pm to JollyGreenGiant
Posted on 10/3/08 at 2:30 pm to geauxgirl62
Does LSU or Les benefit in any way? Or is it just some random internet poll?
Posted on 10/3/08 at 2:35 pm to JollyGreenGiant
From the Coach of the Year website:
"More than just a trophy, the Liberty Mutual Coach of the Year Award provides each winning coach with $50,000 to donate to one or more charitable organizations of his choice and a $20,000 grant to donate to his school’s alumni association to enhance student scholarships and activities."
So yes, it is more than just another internet poll.
"More than just a trophy, the Liberty Mutual Coach of the Year Award provides each winning coach with $50,000 to donate to one or more charitable organizations of his choice and a $20,000 grant to donate to his school’s alumni association to enhance student scholarships and activities."
So yes, it is more than just another internet poll.
Posted on 10/3/08 at 2:41 pm to JollyGreenGiant
Liberty Mutual Coach of the Year Award provides each winning coach with $50,000 to donate to one or more charitable organizations of his choice and a $20,000 grant to donate to his school's alumni association to enhance student scholarships and activities. 
Posted on 10/3/08 at 3:21 pm to geauxgirl62
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However, the bands aren't being judged as they would be in a marching competition. It's all about creativity and entertainment, and LSU's band was tops in that regard. They were fun to watch and they sounded great...none of the other bands put it all together as well.
I totally agree with this assessment. Having watched the videos again today, LSU was easily the most entertaining of the bunch and I thought that this is what the competition was all about. It's not an actual band competition judged by musicians. It's a contest for fans asking "which band do you like the best playing this particular song"?
Having the band do all the footwork and such, and the Golden Girls and Mike in Indiana Jones garb was brilliant.
Have a Great Day!
This post was edited on 10/3/08 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 10/3/08 at 3:33 pm to LouisianaLonghorn
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However, the bands aren't being judged as they would be in a marching competition. It's all about creativity and entertainment, and LSU's band was tops in that regard.
ESPN's site says that we're supposed to be voting for our "favorite performance of the Indiana Jones theme song." Note that there's no verbiage about taking dance teams, horn flashes, or other "entertainment value" factors into account -- I don't know where all my detractors are getting that from. In any case, that's why I took what it said at face value and judged the performance of the song above anything else.
We'll have to agree to disagree on the creativity and entertainment issue. Any band can wiggle around, wave their instruments, etc. I'm not impressed by that, and so I wasn't swayed by it when LSU did it. I didn't find it creative, and I didn't find it entertaining. Their playing was better than any other band, but the music itself was ho-hum by comparison to Georgia and even Texas. That's why I voted the way I did.
Can you all just give me the space to have my own firm and informed opinion on this? Gee whiz! It's like I've broken some sort of law here. TGBFTL sounded great. I liked their performance very much. Just not as much as Georgia's.
This post was edited on 10/3/08 at 7:30 pm
Posted on 10/3/08 at 3:49 pm to NolaMello
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Here's why we are the best: great arrangement, great horn flashes, Les Miles, Mike the Tiger, and the hottest dance team in the country. So go play with yourself now and have a great day
Flipping me off? I mean, really?
I can't help that I didn't like the horn flashes. I really don't think it's a stretch to say that they objectively have nothing to do with how well a band performs a song. As I said to another detractor, ESPN's site asks us to vote for our "favorite performance of the Indiana Jones theme song" -- emphasis on "performance" and "song." To my way of thinking, this means that -- as with any other musical group -- assessing the bands has more to do with how and what they play than anything else. Why is it that I'm taking such flak for holding a common-sense perspective here?
I'm sorry you feel as though I've put you and your colleagues down, but NOBODY could deny that LSU's arrangement of the song was 1) less ambitious than UGA's, and 2) by extension, less technically challenging. You all performed very well. I paid you all a big compliment in my original post. But you just didn't have as difficult, well wrought, or polished a piece of music to perform.
I enjoy the TGBFTL very much. I liked your video very much. I thought your brass was the best of any band. But I didn't like your overall musical performance quite as much as UGA's, and in my opinion that's what matters most. I don't know what else to tell you. I'm sorry you don't like it, but that's the way I feel.
In the words of The Hat, "Have a great day!"
This post was edited on 10/3/08 at 7:32 pm
Posted on 10/3/08 at 8:50 pm to TheMonTSteR
no need to fight, kids!
to the musician, "performance" means the actual musical interpretation and sound
to others "performance" means entertainment...
so to the musicians, Georgia may have had a more complex and intricate arrangement ( I don't happen to think it was just a mike-ing error, there was JUST TOO MUCH of the melodics on the sideline, they had more people over there with mallets than on the entire snare line.......)
LSU certainly had the more entertaining video.
which is "performance"?? YOU decide.... that's the point, after all.
to the musician, "performance" means the actual musical interpretation and sound
to others "performance" means entertainment...
so to the musicians, Georgia may have had a more complex and intricate arrangement ( I don't happen to think it was just a mike-ing error, there was JUST TOO MUCH of the melodics on the sideline, they had more people over there with mallets than on the entire snare line.......)
LSU certainly had the more entertaining video.
which is "performance"?? YOU decide.... that's the point, after all.
Posted on 10/3/08 at 11:17 pm to TheMonTSteR
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I can't help that I didn't like the horn flashes. I really don't think it's a stretch to say that they objectively have nothing to do with how well a band performs a song. As I said to another detractor, ESPN's site asks us to vote for our "favorite performance of the Indiana Jones theme song" -- emphasis on "performance" and "song." To my way of thinking, this means that -- as with any other musical group -- assessing the bands has more to do with how and what they play than anything else. Why is it that I'm taking such flak for holding a common-sense perspective here?
You are taking things way too literally, man. It is not a "common-sense perspective" to assume that the intentions of the contest are to vote for a band based on its musical arrangement. That's ludicrous. Just because it says to vote based on "favorite performance of the Indiana Jones theme song" does not mean that other factors besides music should be disregarded. ESPN would not have sent a film crew to every school if having a visual performance was not important. They could have asked every band to record the music and send it in. THAT would be a contest based purely on musicality. Secondly, I don't care what music school you went to or any of that. You coming on this website and claiming to be a know-it-all of musical arrangement doesn't mean shite to me. I know a fairly good bit about arranging music, and so does the LSU band department. I think you will find many other geniuses like yourself who believe that our arrangement was excellent and challenging. If LSU had a pit like UGA, it would kill anything that UGA put on display. The talent level of LSU's band far exceeds any other band in this country. We have people who can wail away on the xylophone and fluff out and ornament an arrangement, but that's not the kind of band we are. We focus on the wind instruments and the strong brass sound that overpowers any other group. As for our horn flashes, it takes a lot of talent to keep things looking as sharp as we do. Any old band can't just throw in horn flashes that fit with the music and make it look precise. You downplay that ability a lot. Too bad you couldn't see everything that our band was doing. There were way more (and better) horn flashes that were not shown on the video. All of the flashes paid homage to the Indiana Jones franchise (i.e. - the guillotine, the cymbals slicing each other, a mello-coaster which you did not see in the video). And as for me flipping you off, I hope that doesn't offend you. Why don't you come over sometime and I'll let you swallow my championship semen? Then you can know what its like to be a part of the best band in the land that plays for the best team in the land.
Now go cry
Posted on 10/3/08 at 11:38 pm to NolaMello
Wow....................tell us how you really feel. 
Again, I have to agree with the others. When the rules say the best performance I took that to mean the most entertaining video (music, dancing, etc.). I think if it was going to be based purely on sound then surely they would have just asked for recordings, as someone pointed out earlier. Otherwise then you get into the whole concern over acoustics of one stadium / facility versus another.
Again, I have to agree with the others. When the rules say the best performance I took that to mean the most entertaining video (music, dancing, etc.). I think if it was going to be based purely on sound then surely they would have just asked for recordings, as someone pointed out earlier. Otherwise then you get into the whole concern over acoustics of one stadium / facility versus another.
Posted on 10/4/08 at 12:52 am to lsualum96
I'm not going to pretend I know or care what ya'll are arguing about, but y'all voted for LSU, right?
Posted on 10/4/08 at 1:15 am to JollyGreenGiant
some of uga's melodics fall off tempo.. also could their ending be more muddy .. honestly and for a band that accepts anyone and everyone that can hold an instrument i would expect more sound
Posted on 10/4/08 at 6:18 am to geauxgirl62
We should get the Coach of the Year added to the main post-did not see it until just now. Thanks geauxgirl! 
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