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re: Official Scrimmage Thread
Posted on 8/14/11 at 9:37 am to Elleshoe
Posted on 8/14/11 at 9:37 am to Elleshoe
IMO Jlee's opportunities to show what he has, have been limited (to say the least) since 2008.
When called upon, he has delivered more than he has failed... especially as he has gotten older.
I accepted it after fal and tenn games last year that outside an injury he never will.
What else could he do?
Think about it.. if you were Jlee and played tenn and Fla the way he did would you expect at the very least hope to start the next week?
Im convinced, as alot of other LSU fans are that Les is sticking with JJ as the starter regardelss.
When called upon, he has delivered more than he has failed... especially as he has gotten older.
I accepted it after fal and tenn games last year that outside an injury he never will.
What else could he do?
Think about it.. if you were Jlee and played tenn and Fla the way he did would you expect at the very least hope to start the next week?
Im convinced, as alot of other LSU fans are that Les is sticking with JJ as the starter regardelss.
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Posted on 8/14/11 at 9:42 am to TIGRLEE
in 2009 against La Tech he started the whole game:
7/22 105yds 1TD
2010
Had an ok game vs. Tennessee completion wise but never put the ball in the endzone (yeah yeah he got us down there for Ridley to punch it in with JJ at QB)
Florida game he had another pretty good game (by LSU QB standards)
Then against Auburn he made a crucial mistake on 4th down and 2 weeks later against ULM he has an abysmal performance.
I think the coaches see JJ as giving us a better chance to win since he can make plays with his feet which Lee can't do. Jefferson has put together more complete games than Lee since 2008. The coaches have to be looking at all of that...
7/22 105yds 1TD
2010
Had an ok game vs. Tennessee completion wise but never put the ball in the endzone (yeah yeah he got us down there for Ridley to punch it in with JJ at QB)
Florida game he had another pretty good game (by LSU QB standards)
Then against Auburn he made a crucial mistake on 4th down and 2 weeks later against ULM he has an abysmal performance.
I think the coaches see JJ as giving us a better chance to win since he can make plays with his feet which Lee can't do. Jefferson has put together more complete games than Lee since 2008. The coaches have to be looking at all of that...
Posted on 8/14/11 at 9:43 am to TIGRLEE
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I asked a queston was it true that Jlee threw for more yards, more tds and less ints than the other qbs... is it true or not? geeees.
Obv you dont want to answer that queston with a factual answer..., which is a yes.
why are you asking the question, according to the stats Les gave, all these points are true...but without some sort of context, the points are only marginally relevant.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 9:46 am to Elleshoe
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Jefferson has put together more complete games than Lee since 2008.
He's been the starter for 2 years. I hope he's had more complete games than his backup.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 9:48 am to JJ27
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He's been the starter for 2 years. I hope he's had more complete games than his backup
Lee has seen playing time in just about every game since 2008 and he has 1 under his belt (Aub. 2008) and that was a shaky performance anyway
Posted on 8/14/11 at 9:48 am to Elleshoe
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I think the coaches see JJ as giving us a better chance to win since he can make plays with his feet which Lee can't do. Jefferson has put together more complete games than Lee since 2008. The coaches have to be looking at all of that...
bunch of us were talking about this after golf yesterday, I dont care that JJ can run... we recruit badasss backs and big fricking olineman.
Im far more concerned about being able to complete 3rd and 12 at bryant denny than I am JJ keeping 2-3 drives alive during a game bc he dont know where to throw the ball and takes off running.
and as far as more complete games since 2008, when one guy has twice as many opp as the other I would certianly hope he would have more.
Bottome line is, on this site, Jlee is still measured/judged by hid 2008 freshman level.. on the flip side JJ, at least as far as I am concerned is judged by a Jr qb that has numerous starts under his belt...
Whether people here will admit it or not, that is a HUGE diffference.
This post was edited on 8/14/11 at 9:50 am
Posted on 8/14/11 at 9:50 am to TIGRLEE
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bunch of us were talking about this after golf yesterday, I dont care that JJ can run... we recruit badasss backs and big fricking olineman.
Im far more concerned about being able to complete 3rd and 12 at bryant denny than I am JJ keeping 2-3 drives alive during a game bc he dont know where to throw the ball and takes off running.
there's more to "making plays with your feet" than running. Getting out of the pocket. Making throws on the run...
Posted on 8/14/11 at 9:50 am to Elleshoe
I just have one question for you... are you THAT confident that Lee gives LSU a much better chance to win than Jefferson?
Posted on 8/14/11 at 9:55 am to Elleshoe
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Lee has seen playing time in just about every game since 2008
not really. outside of the La Tech game, he really didn't play any meaningful time in 09.
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he has 1 under his belt (Aub. 2008) and that was a shaky performance anyway
by LSU QB standards of the past few yrs, that was a complete game. he had other solid performances in 08 as well (MSU, SC, Troy - again grading on the LSU QB curve).
I'm ok with starting JJ if we can coax some performances out of him like we saw post-bye/ late season in 09 and 10. but I could live with Lee as the starting QB.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 9:55 am to Elleshoe
Id like to know.
Ive seen enough of JJ last two years.. I know what to expect from him. as the op of this thread said... JJ was JJ.
Id like to see if Jlee could get on a roll and lead this offense better than JJ.
Ive seen enough of JJ last two years.. I know what to expect from him. as the op of this thread said... JJ was JJ.
Id like to see if Jlee could get on a roll and lead this offense better than JJ.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 9:56 am to Elleshoe
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I just have one question for you... are you THAT confident that Lee gives LSU a much better chance to win than Jefferson?
Based on the level of performance in 2010 I dont see how he can give us less of a chance to win.
Of course in my opinion they should go with the most talented passer to enhance the running game. Sure Jefferson is the best running qb but it is not like we are a whishbone team. When teams stack the line as they did much of last year because they dont respect JJ's passing ability it makes running the ball even more difficult. Imagine if the qb was feared as a passer how well the running game would work. I think Mett should be the starter but heck Lee would at least loosen up the defense as well!
Posted on 8/14/11 at 9:57 am to ATLTiger
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but I could live with Lee as the starting QB.
If Lee's performances were as good as JJ against Bama/A&M I could too. I just don't think we'll get that week in and week out. I honestly think he is confused by defenses more than Jefferson is. Neither is a very good QB but I like my chances will Jefferson more than Lee. I'd really rather see what Mettenberger can do. If he plays well in spot duty the first few games then maybe he'll deserve a start...
Posted on 8/14/11 at 10:04 am to Rudy40
Both have had chances but neither JJ nor Lee have proven they can be an SEC quality QB to this point. Hopefully one of them will step up this year. To act like ___ has consistently outperformed ___, or ___ is clearly a better choice than ___ is foolish. Lee does some things better than Jefferson, Jefferson does some things better than Lee. They both have had their moments, but both of their negatives have far outweighed their positives.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 10:06 am to Elleshoe
I agree with you about Mett elleshoe but I find it hard to believe that Lee is confused more by the defenses than JJ. Lee does seem to throw off his back foot when he is flushed but in general seems to know where the receivers are going to be and more importantly hit them in stride. In fact I would not be surprised if Lee hit more receivers in stride during the Florida game than JJ did the entire season including the Bama and A&M games.
JJ seems totally confused trying to read a defense, or going to anyone other than his primary which he stares down so often!
JJ seems totally confused trying to read a defense, or going to anyone other than his primary which he stares down so often!
Posted on 8/14/11 at 10:08 am to Elleshoe
JJ still holds on to the ball far too long, waits too long for his WRs to come out of a break, and is inaccurate as hell on any pass of 15+ yards (he had shep wide open without a defender within 10 yards and couldn't get him the ball). He's improved from a technique standpoint on some things, but overall I didn't see a completely different JJ. The other 2 guys were just flat out better looking quarterbacks yesterday
This post was edited on 8/14/11 at 10:10 am
Posted on 8/14/11 at 10:08 am to MOT
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Both have had chances but neither JJ nor Lee have proven they can be an SEC quality QB to this point. Hopefully one of them will step up this year. To act like ___ has consistently outperformed ___, or ___ is clearly a better choice than ___ is foolish. Lee does some things better than Jefferson, Jefferson does some things better than Lee. They both have had their moments, but both of their negatives have far outweighed their positives.
That's the QB situation in a nutshell folks.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 10:09 am to MOT
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Lee does some things better than Jefferson, Jefferson does some things better than Lee. They both have had their moments, but both of their negatives have far outweighed their positives.
really the only difference has been, when things break down, JJ can possibly get some yards with his legs vs. JL possibly throwing one up for grabs...it's telling that in 4 years, the only argument for playing one are the negatives of the other. It's hard to make a positive case for either.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 10:10 am to BilJ
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JJ still holds on to the ball far too long, waits too long for his WRs to come out of a break, and is inaccurate as hell on any pass of 15+ yards. He's improved from a technique standpoint on some things, but overall I didn't see a completely different JJ. The other 2 guys were just flat out better looking quarterbacks yesterday
Heard the same thing, BilJ.
My friend said we're not winning any championship if our offense plays like it did during the scrimmage yesterday. He said Mett looked the best, but it was obvious that he still hasn't mastered the playbook.
This post was edited on 8/14/11 at 10:13 am
Posted on 8/14/11 at 10:11 am to TIGRLEE
quote:In my opinion, Lee only needs to see the field as a "spark plug."
Ive seen enough of JJ last two years.. I know what to expect from him. as the op of this thread said... JJ was JJ.
Id like to see if Jlee could get on a roll and lead this offense better than JJ.
Last year I was a big advocate for Lee. I always pointed to the Florida game in 2008 as to why Lee should be the starter. We got down 20-0. Scored right before the half and scored to start the 2nd half to make it 20-14. On a 3rd and 4, Tebow did a QB draw to get 5 yards and pick up the first down. Next play, long pass down the sidelines to set up a first and goal and led to an eventual score. LSU's next drive with the score 27-14, Lee hit Lafell wide open over the middle but Lafell dropped it. When I say he was wise open I mean I was the closer to him then any Florida player and I was in the stands. This began the snowball affect in the game.
After the game, Les said at his press conference the next week that he felt if we could have stopped Tebow on that 3rd and 4 that he felt we would have gotten the ball and went down the field to score. Being at that game, I had that exact feeling. I believed in Lee then.
Fastforward to yesterday, Lee might have had the best looking stats but he was no where near the best QB on the field yesterday.
Jefferson needs to be the starter.
This post was edited on 8/14/11 at 10:12 am
Posted on 8/14/11 at 10:11 am to BilJ
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BilJ
If someone put a gun to your head and said to choose a starter for Oregon based on yesterday, who would you go with?
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