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Official Rule Question
Posted on 10/10/10 at 5:57 pm
Posted on 10/10/10 at 5:57 pm
When LSU pulled the fake FG, the right knee of the holder was down when he threw the ball. Is this legal? I thought that if it was a fake that the holder had to rise from the ground when he received the snap. They allow the knee to be down for a kick but was that really a legal pass?
BTW, I'm not saying I wish he was down (I'm glad he wasn't because we would have lost), I'm just asking what the rule really says in that situation.
BTW, I'm not saying I wish he was down (I'm glad he wasn't because we would have lost), I'm just asking what the rule really says in that situation.
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Posted on 10/10/10 at 5:58 pm to Scott Tiger
It's legal. There's an exception for FGs. Otherwise, wouldn't every FG be a loss of 7 yards?
Posted on 10/10/10 at 6:04 pm to TiGeRTeRRoR
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It's legal. There's an exception for FGs. Otherwise, wouldn't every FG be a loss of 7 yards?
He acknowledged right there in his post that he knew it was legal for kicks!
He wasn't questioning that part. He was asking about a non-kick maneuver such as we saw last night. And yes, I know the rules allow what the Tigers did, it's been covered ad neauseum already, guess he just didn't see it anywhere.
Posted on 10/10/10 at 6:14 pm to NHTIGER
This same question came up after the Colt David/Matt Flynn fake vs. South Carolina in 2007.
Rule 4-3-1-b.
b. When any part of the ball carrier’s body, except his hand or foot, touches the ground or when the ball carrier is tackled or otherwise falls and loses possession of the ball as he contacts the ground with any part of his body, except his hand or foot. (Exception: The ball remains alive when an offensive player has simulated a kick or is in position to kick the ball held for a place kick by a teammate. The ball may be kicked, passed or advanced by rule) (A.R. 4-1-3-I).
Rule 4-3-1-b.
b. When any part of the ball carrier’s body, except his hand or foot, touches the ground or when the ball carrier is tackled or otherwise falls and loses possession of the ball as he contacts the ground with any part of his body, except his hand or foot. (Exception: The ball remains alive when an offensive player has simulated a kick or is in position to kick the ball held for a place kick by a teammate. The ball may be kicked, passed or advanced by rule) (A.R. 4-1-3-I).
This post was edited on 10/10/10 at 6:31 pm
Posted on 10/10/10 at 6:17 pm to tss22h8
how about this rule...what if the ball explodes? I referee college ball albeit D3, but why question everything? LET IT GO.
Posted on 10/10/10 at 6:20 pm to tss22h8
Here's a rules question. After the first missed fg by Florida, they threw a flag for holding on the defense giving them a second chance. Why was it not an automatic first down like all other defensive holds I've ever seen?
Posted on 10/10/10 at 6:25 pm to JermStone
Anyone?
Posted on 10/10/10 at 6:26 pm to JermStone
It was fourth down and more than 10 yards so after the penalty it was still fourth down but fourth and short? I think.
Posted on 10/10/10 at 6:29 pm to JermStone
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Here's a rules question. After the first missed fg by Florida, they threw a flag for holding on the defense giving them a second chance. Why was it not an automatic first down like all other defensive holds I've ever seen?
Defensive holding, when a legal forward pass crosses the neutral zone, results in an automatic first down.
Posted on 10/10/10 at 6:30 pm to Raparooot
Defensive holding is a ten yard AND auto first down. This particular case was half the distance if I remember correctly but why not the automatic first. It remained forth and they obviously kicked again.
Posted on 10/10/10 at 6:32 pm to JermStone
It was holding by a DL of an OL.
Posted on 10/10/10 at 6:33 pm to 62zip
Okay so since it wasn't a forward pass the automatic first didn't apply? That would make sense. Didn't know that. Appreciate you clearing that up for me! 
Posted on 10/10/10 at 6:34 pm to Scott Tiger
Posted on 10/10/10 at 6:35 pm to Scott Tiger
quote:
When LSU pulled the fake FG, the right knee of the holder was down when he threw the ball. Is this legal? I thought that if it was a fake that the holder had to rise from the ground when he received the snap. They allow the knee to be down for a kick but was that really a legal pass?
Is it 2007 again??
Posted on 10/10/10 at 7:31 pm to JermStone
quote:
Here's a rules question. After the first missed fg by Florida, they threw a flag for holding on the defense giving them a second chance. Why was it not an automatic first down like all other defensive holds I've ever seen?
See rule 9 article 4 of the rule book. An automatic first down would be assessed only if the foul occurred against an eligible receiver when a legal forward pass crosses the neutral zone.
This post was edited on 10/10/10 at 7:35 pm
Posted on 10/17/10 at 9:12 pm to NHTIGER
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He acknowledged right there in his post that he knew it was legal for kicks! He wasn't questioning that part. He was asking about a non-kick maneuver such as we saw last night. And yes, I know the rules allow what the Tigers did, it's been covered ad neauseum already, guess he just didn't see it anywhere.
Thanks! From the date of my membership you can see I've only been here a few months. I'm amazed at how much many people here know about the Tigers. I'm also amazed at how much some people think they know, and how much others don't want to share with those of us who are new.
To those of you who have posted answers to my questions I say thanks.
Posted on 10/17/10 at 9:36 pm to Scott Tiger
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To those of you who have posted answers to my questions I say thanks.
Now there's a rare comment. It is absolutely wonderful to see civility and manners as a part of polite society. It is positively astounding for this message board.
Refer to Etiquette in society, in business, in politics and at home, by Emily Post (Mrs. Price Post) PUBLISHED: New York: Funk & Wagnalls Company, 1922.
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