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Posted on 9/13/10 at 3:59 pm to The312
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We should have groomed Shep to be a QB beginning last year. But we didn't. Now it's probably too late to do so without enduring a terrible transition and maturation period.
I hear ya, BUT ... as I said, I think Shepard could run a good portion of the offense RIGHT NOW better than JJ or JL -- the option, and the read plays. Does anyone really doubt that?
Can the kid throw a forward pass? I honestly don't know; I have to assume he can. That doesn't mean he can read defenses though (but then again, can our two QB's on scholarship?) This would be a ballsy move and one I just don't see Miles or Crowton making. Look at it this way: would you take Herb Tyler over either JJ or JL? You probably would. Shepard is faster and more talented than Herb and I would guess could pass comparably to him.
Posted on 9/13/10 at 4:00 pm to Chicken
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If Jefferson stinks it up again against Miss State, then I think Les will have no choice but to give Lee a shot. But until that happens, Jefferson is our man.
Classic mismanagement. There is a plethora of data on Jordan Jefferson. When you get good protection from your Oline and you have 3 5-star receivers and you go 3-12 in the first half against a poor Vandy (this is one of the weaker versions of Vandy too) and throw for 100 yards for the game, your performance sucks. There is no debate.
Jefferson has had WAY more than enough time to improve and secure the job.
Why the hell do we want to let him get us a bunch more 3-and-outs and risk getting behind Moo State?
Miles waits till it is painfully obvious to everyone but him, and only when he has to...and then waits a few weeks on top of that BEFORE he does what most see all along.
And Miles either does not understand the webster's definition of compete or he is an habitual liar, because there is no evidence from the first two games, the spring game and reportedly from Fall camp, to suggest that JJ is winning a competition.
The starting job has been conferred upon JJ.
arrgghhhh on steroids
This post was edited on 9/13/10 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 9/13/10 at 4:02 pm to TigerJeff
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I hear ya, BUT ... as I said, I think Shepard could run a good portion of the offense RIGHT NOW better than JJ or JL -- the option, and the read plays. Does anyone really doubt that?
Can the kid throw a forward pass? I honestly don't know; I have to assume he can. That doesn't mean he can read defenses though (but then again, can our two QB's on scholarship?) This would be a ballsy move and one I just don't see Miles or Crowton making. Look at it this way: would you take Herb Tyler over either JJ or JL? You probably would. Shepard is faster and more talented than Herb and I would guess could pass comparably to him.
I don't disagree with you. I'd love to see it. But as you noted, it is highly improbably given the risk tolerance and creativity of our staff.
Frankly, I cannot fathom why the staff almost immediately moved him from QB to several other positions when it was apparent in 2008 that neither Lee nor JJ was necessarily destined for greatness.
You sign the number one dual threat QB in the nation...and you don't even try to groom him as a QB?
Just odd.
Posted on 9/13/10 at 4:03 pm to therocketscientist
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When you get good protection from your Oline and you have 3 5-star receivers and you go 3-12 in the first half against a poor Vandy (this is one of the weaker versions of Vandy too) and throw for 100 yards for the game, your performance sucks. There is no debate.
This, plus JJ seems not to do well under pressure or in high tension situations. The media and fan frenzy about his play against Vandy I imagine will cause him to clam up and play worse.
Posted on 9/13/10 at 4:03 pm to therocketscientist
That damages a QB's mentality too.
I honestly don't think we'd be sitting here talking about JL as a possible starter if he didn't start two years ago. If he had another year or two to develop without taking over, I honestly think he'd be the undisputed starter on LSU.
When he comes into the game(like against LA Tech) he almost seems uneasy mentally. It seems like its most obvious at home games. Its like hes playing to prove something to the crowd, then all the dumbasses boo him the minute he does one bad play...
I honestly don't think we'd be sitting here talking about JL as a possible starter if he didn't start two years ago. If he had another year or two to develop without taking over, I honestly think he'd be the undisputed starter on LSU.
When he comes into the game(like against LA Tech) he almost seems uneasy mentally. It seems like its most obvious at home games. Its like hes playing to prove something to the crowd, then all the dumbasses boo him the minute he does one bad play...
Posted on 9/13/10 at 4:03 pm to CptBengal
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What about yac on those passes? What about total yardage gained from those plays? Completing 60% of your passes if they result in 3 and 4 yard gains is not doing all that well imho.
exactly
so say no drops and he goes 12-20 for 130 yards and an INT (against Vandy)?
Thats not going to fly, as our RBs are not going to rush for nearly 300 yards against stiffer competition.
This post was edited on 9/13/10 at 4:04 pm
Posted on 9/13/10 at 4:06 pm to deuce985
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Its like hes playing to prove something to the crowd, then all the dumbasses boo him the minute he does one bad play...
neither will survive the crowd Saturday nite...unfortunately
Posted on 9/13/10 at 4:06 pm to CptBengal
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This, plus JJ seems not to do well under pressure or in high tension situations
neither does Lee
Posted on 9/13/10 at 4:09 pm to manwich
Truth. LSU/SEC just isn't the place to play a young QB. You will get devoured quickly the minute you slip up. The fans are partly to blame for this but you also have to lay the blame on Miles for not recruiting for depth/future. He is partly to blame for these QBs getting damaged mentally so young. JL's situation should have been completely different if he recruited QB depth between RP like he was suppose to.
Now, they always play with their backs against the wall trying too hard.
Now, they always play with their backs against the wall trying too hard.
This post was edited on 9/13/10 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 9/13/10 at 4:11 pm to Choctaw
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neither does Lee
So what's your suggestion, keep going on JJ and **hope** he gets better?
Lee at least gives us deep pass threats (i.e. >10 yards), as such a defense HAS to respect that and can't stack the box. That opens up our running game. JJ throwing short dump offs underneath where the receiver has ZERO chance for yac does not open the defense up, and with faster defenses will cause even further damage to the running game.
Posted on 9/13/10 at 4:11 pm to Choctaw
Sounds like we need a shrink for everybody...
Oh, not Lee and Jefferson, they 'll be fine.
I'm talking about for all the fans booing 19 yr old kids doing he best they can!
Oh, not Lee and Jefferson, they 'll be fine.
I'm talking about for all the fans booing 19 yr old kids doing he best they can!
Posted on 9/13/10 at 4:11 pm to Choctaw
Choc, what do you think? JL gets some series? Or do you think JJ snaps out of it?
Rohan snapped out of it, Jamarcus did too. Let's hope it clicks for JJ or JL.
Rohan snapped out of it, Jamarcus did too. Let's hope it clicks for JJ or JL.
Posted on 9/13/10 at 4:12 pm to CptBengal
let's give Lee the same amount of time Les has given JJ and then see where we're at
This post was edited on 9/13/10 at 4:13 pm
Posted on 9/13/10 at 4:14 pm to Chicken
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Chicken
Posted on 9/13/10 at 4:14 pm to TheDoc
See sig
Posted on 9/13/10 at 4:16 pm to deuce985
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LSU's major problem last year:
Complete disrespect against our over the top pass game. Playing 3 DBs back and still not being able to hit 15 yard+ passes absolutely kills the run game. Vandy was loaded in the box all night, I was surprised the RBs were even getting 4 yard runs. This is not going to keep happening against better teams.
We don't even need great passing, just average. Hit them when they're open. Bama does it perfectly. The defense still has to respect their over the top game and it opens their running game. If we can just get the ball deep sometimes, it will improve the entire offense. The pass game, run and oline play...
Until then, our offense will remain handicapped.
My thoughts exactly!
Posted on 9/13/10 at 4:18 pm to TheDoc
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Lee as the starter
Jefferson as a the spell qb every other series
And Shepard as the wild cat qb
Takes too much away from continuity...however, 2007 had a passer who was spelled about every third or fourth series by a runner who could pass...we won a national title that year with GC as the offensive coordinator.
Posted on 9/13/10 at 4:18 pm to Choctaw
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This, plus JJ seems not to do well under pressure or in high tension situations
neither does Lee
Auburn...Troy?
Posted on 9/13/10 at 4:22 pm to DeltaDoc
Lee deserves a shot to start period. JJ has done nothing to earn the position of starting QB for LSU. Doesn't mean I hate him or think he sucks because god knows I cannot play the qb position either, but the non want for Lee to get some reps at this point is incomprehensible to me to say the least..
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