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re: "offensively, there will be a definite switch in philosophy"
Posted on 1/15/12 at 4:11 pm to tigerblood29
Posted on 1/15/12 at 4:11 pm to tigerblood29
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tigerblood29
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are u serious,Bama played quarters all game=not at all worried about vertical passing
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quarters is not a two deep concept it is a four man zone quartering the field horizontally
wow. just wow. Wow. Wow... Wow. fricking wow. I'm glad you posted this under the anonymity of an internet message board and not said this out load to people who know even the slightest little thing about the x's and O's of football.
First of all, Cover 4 is a vertical passing game stopper. Hell, "prevent" defense is just an exaggerated and deepen cover 4. Hopefully, I'm just reading this wrong, and you're saying that because Bama was playing Cover 4, that they weren't worried about the vertical passing game(even then its not true, cause man and cover 2 is what Bama ran a majority of the night)
Cover 4 is a cover 2 concept. Cover 4 was born of the cover 2 for 3rd and 4th and really long, to prevent teams from running combinations involving outs, posts, and Go's/fades/6 routes. In its simplest form, Cover 4 is a combination of Cover 2 and cover 3, with the corners both bailing and playing deep and the safeties playing deep, dividing the field into 4 horizontal zones. But cover 4 is a 2 high safety concept
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Posted on 1/15/12 at 4:17 pm to ZTiger87
Are there any coaches out there that would have started Mett over two experienced senior QB's. Probably not many if any. Hindsight is 20/20. Really the biggest coaching disappointment for me was playing it to close to the vest for the whole season. I thought they would try to open it up a little bit this year, not that it was needed against the weaker teams, but against the best, it is needed. But you have to do it for the whole season so that when you face the best you are ready. NO way they were going to overpower Alabama running the ball or trying to get to the edges again, throwing screens and running options.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 4:25 pm to boxcar willie
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Are there any coaches out there that would have started Mett over two experienced senior QB's.
No, but I imagine there are many coaches who would have got him some meaningful experience, and possibly played him in the NCG if they were not going with Lee.
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Probably not many if any. Hindsight is 20/20.
Part of being a CEO is managing risk. Contingency planning. I didn't see any evidence of this on Monday.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 4:35 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Are there any college QB's that could have made a difference for LSU in that game? The o-line and RB's were getting their asses handed to them all game long. Much worse than the first game. Lee would have been a basket case, as was Jefferson, no doubt. Hitting some passes down the field early on early downs would have been hugh, but you have to call the play for it to happen, then you have to have time to execute it.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 4:36 pm to ShortyRob
In 2009, that non throwing idiot was the nations most efficient red zone passer. His big arm was always better throwing deep shots, and throwing the ball while rolling out, 2 things that the staff did not fully utilize.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 4:37 pm to boxcar willie
quote:The coaches knew JJ wasn't capable of this.
Hitting some passes down the field early on early downs would have been hugh, but you have to call the play for it to happen, then you have to have time to execute it.
He wasn't capable of it against UGA either.
And, he was BARELY capable of it against Arky.
shite, he was marginally capable of it against WKU.
It would be one thing if JJ only stunk against Bama. But hell, JJ's BEST game after his return wasn't as good as JL's worst before JJ's return.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 4:39 pm to boxcar willie
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Are there any college QB's that could have made a difference for LSU in that game? The o-line and RB's were getting their asses handed to them all game long.
JJ had several opportunities to make big plays, so yes.
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Much worse than the first game. Lee would have been a basket case, as was Jefferson, no doubt.
So you stay with the basket case you know can't make the throws vs the basket case that may offer a change? Makes no sense. Miles decided that "JJ was owed" as he stated post game.
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Hitting some passes down the field early on early downs would have been hugh, but you have to call the play for it to happen, then you have to have time to execute it.
There was opportunity in the second half a handful of times, the execution wasn't there. It makes sense to find someone who can execute.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 4:39 pm to boxcar willie
quote:bama was getting pressure with 4, dropping 6-7 into any coverage Saban could imagine. I'm sure Luck or Barkley could have, but not many more college qb's, as evidenced by Bama's passing defense statistics.
Are there any college QB's that could have made a difference for LSU in that game? The o-line and RB's were getting their asses handed to them all game long. Much worse than the first game. Lee would have been a basket case, as was Jefferson, no doubt. Hitting some passes down the field early on early downs would have been hugh, but you have to call the play for it to happen, then you have to have time to execute it.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 4:39 pm to 7thWardTiger
next season with a bigger badder tougher o-line (hopefully) combined with a higher level QB (hopefully) will result in a 'switch in philosophy'.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 4:40 pm to ShortyRob
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He wasn't capable of it against UGA either.
Yep. If there ever was a fed flag, the UGA game was definitely it. JJ looked like JJ early in 2010.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 4:41 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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It makes sense to find someone who can execute.
maybe we have that next season
Posted on 1/15/12 at 4:42 pm to boxcar willie
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maybe we have that next season
I think we will find he was on the roster this season.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 4:49 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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So you stay with the basket case you know can't make the throws vs the basket case that may offer a change?
Jefferson has made the throws in the past, guess Miles was still hoping it would start clicking and that we could possibly still win the game. I would have made the change though when we were down 12-0. At that point we had no chance of coming back, so just to satisfy that contingent of the fan base and to keep the negativity that is surrounding the program from developing to the extent that it has with the fans, go ahead and make the change. What difference does it make by how much we lose by.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 4:49 pm to ShortyRob
quote:shut up. you have no idea of what you are talking about. Here's some facts. Jlee best game, against MSU, he throws for 5 more yards than Jefferson did against Arky, 208 to 213. That was Lee's best game yards wise. His best game rating wise was Florida with a rating of 232.36. In the same game Jefferson had a rating of 285.60, but i don't count it because he only threw the ball 4 times. Against Ole Miss, Jefferson went 7-7 with a 252.74 rating. so yea, your argument about JJ's best game not stacking up to Lee's worse was demolished
It would be one thing if JJ only stunk against Bama. But hell, JJ's BEST game after his return wasn't as good as JL's worst before JJ's return.
Lee Jefferson
Posted on 1/15/12 at 4:50 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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think we will find he was on the roster this season.
probably so, just that coaches don't see it that way generally.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 4:50 pm to 7thWardTiger
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shut up. you have no idea of what you are talking about.
14 TD passes this season to 13 for JJ in TWO seasons.
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Posted on 1/15/12 at 4:52 pm to boxcar willie
He seemed to recognize our deficiency. However, knowing that he did nothing to make an historic and maybe game changing decision to go with Lee or Mett. Can you think of the surprise had he had Mett start? No, his loyalty with no back up to JJ ended with a loss. Too bad.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 4:54 pm to ShortyRob
quote:this is the argument you revert to when your other stupid arguments are debunked
14 TD passes this season to 13 for JJ in TWO seasons.
23 total tds > 16 total td's over the last 2 years. or 46 total tds > 32 total td's over there carreers?
This post was edited on 1/15/12 at 4:56 pm
Posted on 1/15/12 at 4:56 pm to boxcar willie
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probably so, just that coaches don't see it that way generally.
I think we can agree on that. My hope is Miles doesn't back himself into the corner with few options again next year. Looks like a NC caliber season ahead and hope he sees the need for other options this time around.
Posted on 1/15/12 at 5:04 pm to catnip
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Can you think of the surprise had he had Mett start?
yes, it would be quite a surprise as no coach that is in coaching would do that. So yes it would an unrivaled surprise to start Mett in the NC game. But also think about what if he started Mett and we lost, as we likely would have as we had no pass protection. If you think people are calling him out now, what then?
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