re: Offensive Line vs Scheme. NE vs KC - perfect explanation why LSU's scheme needs to change

The following Article about LSU QB Sack History, Max Protect Blocking Schemes and Weaknesses, etc., echos concerns over Max Protect.

2019 Review of QB Sack History/ vs Max Protect, blocking, Pass Pro Scheme

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You’ve seen it more times than you care to remember. Joe Burrow drops back and he gets sacked. Danny Etling drops back and he gets sacked. Brandon Harris drops back and he gets sacked. For a program that talks about taking care of the football and staying away from negative plays, the amount of sacks Tiger quarterbacks take is an eye sore.

LSU gets sacked a lot. For the past two years (2018, 2017) they’ve ranked in the 100s in sack rate allowed. The two prior seasons (2016, 2015) saw them place in the 50s but the year before that (2014) they were dreadful, finishing 117th.

I wrote last month about the Foster Moreau problem and how he was never really able to flex on people like he could have because the staff thought they needed him more as a pass protector than receiver.

LSU has also kept the running back in for protection often. This has led to some of our best athletes not getting the ball in space.

I think O likes his offense conservative but we’ll see.”

Hebert stressed that this would be a big change in Coach Orgeron’s philosophy.

“It is riskier strategy and has drawbacks, I’m flippantly talking about a big change in philosophy”

This has been a tough world that LSU has put themselves in. The protection schemes have not mitigated the onslaught the rest of the league has put on LSU’s quarterbacks. For LSU to get more out of their passing game, I believe they need to pare down their number of blockers and turn them into receivers.

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I could not verify the Sacks Allowed Data Reported: I found via CFBstats numbers which are far less extreme.

2018: Was the worst: Tied for last SEC, 103rd National





2017: 8th SEC 2.39 sks/gm 13 sks Total, 83rd nationally
2016: 4th SEC 1.58 sks/gm 19 sks Total, 32nd nationally
2015: 3rd SEC 1.42 sks/gm 17 sks Total, 30th nationally
2014: 9th SEC 1.92 sks/gm 25 sks Total, 55th nationally

2019 Review of QB Sack History/ vs Max Protect, blocking, Pass Pro Scheme

You’ve seen it more times than you care to remember. Joe Burrow drops back and he gets sacked. Danny Etling drops back and he gets sacked. Brandon Harris drops back and he gets sacked. For a program that talks about taking care of the football and staying away from negative plays, the amount of sacks Tiger quarterbacks take is an eye sore.

LSU gets sacked a lot. For the past two years (2018, 2017) they’ve ranked in the 100s in sack rate allowed. The two prior seasons (2016, 2015) saw them place in the 50s but the year before that (2014) they were dreadful, finishing 117th.

Ed Orgeron Finds a New Truth - And his Future Hinges On It

Orgeron’s mission statement is no longer to find the best offensive coordinator in the country. He’s smart enough to realize that would be a false claim when hiring a coach who hasn’t been a full-time offensive coordinator in the last 20 years.

Now it’s about finding the “best offensive coordinator for LSU.” And he sincerely believes he has that guy in Steve Ensminger.





SEC Coaches Anonymously Speak:






Jan 2019: Defense Wins in NFL: Fact or Folklore...Folklore


The high scoring 2018 season certainly falls outside of the "defense wins championship" boundaries both in the regular season and in the playoffs. The four teams heading into the AFC and NFC Championship games (Chiefs, Rams, Saints, Patriots) rank 1 through 4 in scoring offense. Only the Patriots rank in the top 10 in defense at No. 4. The Saints are at 14 while the Rams and Chiefs are at 20 and 24.


The mantra this season is more akin to "defense gets you into the playoffs but no farther." Among the teams ousted from the players so far, the Bears ranked first in defense, the Ravens second, Texans fifth, Cowboys sixth, Chargers eighth and Seahawks 11th while none of their offenses cracked the top 10 other than the Chargers (eighth). In the divisional round, in three of the four games, the winner scored more than 30 points, so that maybe the mantra needs to be adjusted to "offense matters a lot in the NFL."

The same is being proven in the FBS: It is better to have an Elite Off vs an Elite D: Saban said 'If given an either or, no doubt I would put my best players on Off and just Score As Many Pts as possible.' That is the way it is going.

Sure wish we had a place to talk sports without weeding thru people with no manners attacking each other all the time. You aren't the only one by any means, but sure do your share. Not necessary!

Just look for one liner sniping, downvotes, defending the Coaches, and rejecting any discussion of how to improve.



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I'm not defending the scheme. The offensive line had serious problems this season and I'm simply trying to identify those problems. You, however, have an agenda so you try to either ignore those or minimize them so you can denigrate the coaching staff.

The scheme was severely limited by Oline play. I don't understand why people couldn't see that. It's my belief as of now that the anti O crowd actually saw it but would rather ignore the lack of depth and slam the coaches.

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So you think that LSU had the roster to compete for a NC when O took the job full time?

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As Lou Holtz said: Until signing Day 'you win with Talent' after Signing Day you win with Coaching.



O inherited a loaded Roster.


The Problem is in Player Development and Scheme, Coaching, Game Planning and in-game adjustments.

Roster Strength has not correlated with success.

Look at the Chart and see who overperformed with their Rosters and who did not.



This is the famous Play-Option-Pass from Nick Marshall that tied the game with ALA in 2013. The next Play with the Kick Six. Both plays were pivotal to changing the SEC into an Up-Tempo, RPO, Spread. It was written about in an article "Evolving The Option". The article mentioned that Cam Cameron planned to use it but did not, as you know.









Without Austin Thomas flipping 2 5 stars the 2017 Class would not have been ranked in the Top 20.

He now works with Jimbo and AD Scott Woodward.

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In the five seasons Thomas spent on LSU’s staff, the Tigers have finished with the nation’s No. 2 recruiting class (2014), No. 5 class (2015), No. 2 class (2016), No. 7 class and currently have the No. 13 class for the 2018 cycle with the first signing period quickly approaching.

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For the 2017 recruiting cycle, 247Sports named Thomas the nation’s 10th best individual recruiter. Pretty remarkable considering he’s not even on staff at LSU as a coach. Every other member of the individual top 25 recruiters list is an assistant or head coach. That lofty ranking came after Thomas led the charge in LSU landing two five-star prospects from Tennessee — defensive back JaCoby Steven and linebacker Jacob Phillips. In an unusual move, LSU took defensive line coach Pete Jenkins off the road this time last year and replaced him with Thomas. The move obviously paid off for the Tigers with two crucial signatures. How did LSU land the two prospects everyone in the nation wanted, including flipping Phillips’ Oklahoma commitment at the final hour? “All Austin,” Orgeron said to James Bewers of The Advocate. “He got Jacob Phillips. I knew (Austin) was going to be good, but those results are phenomenal. I didn’t know we were going to get those results. “Very rare to get two five-star recruits to come to LSU your first go around (at off-campus recruiting).” His aspirations apparently don’t stop at the college game, either. According to those who know him best in the profession, Thomas will one day be running an NFL franchise. “Austin I believe one day will be an NFL General Manager,” Orgeron said to Barton Simmons of 247Sports. “He’s very talented. He’s the general manager. I trust him in all aspects. He can have the keys to the car. I trust him in everything that he does.”

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And as Mike D said, "Steve is running the offense exactly as Ed wants it to be run."

I kind of feel badly for the faction of the fan base that naively thinks LSU's offense will be greatly improved next season. The offense will be improved, yes, but it will still have the same scaredy-cat mentality, close to the vest type of playcalling, especially with a lead. It will be a rude awakening for them. Of course, they'll conveniently blame it on the defense like they did this past season. On the other hand, I've already accepted that we will lose 2 to 3 games next season strictly because of this mentality. I'll be rooting for 10 & 2 but pretty much expecting another 9 & 3.

Veronika Khomyn knows the the ins and outs of the game.
K.I.S.S. principle at work: McVay keeps his 5 fastest players on the field at all times. His Offense is scoring at an all time high.

Rams Need only one personnel grouping




The high scoring 2018 season certainly falls outside of the "defense wins championship" boundaries both in the regular season and in the playoffs. The four teams heading into the AFC and NFC Championship games (Chiefs, Rams, Saints, Patriots) rank 1 through 4 in scoring offense. Only the Patriots rank in the top 10 in defense at No. 4. The Saints are at 14 while the Rams and Chiefs are at 20 and 24. The mantra this season is more akin to "defense gets you into the playoffs but no farther." Among the teams ousted from the players so far, the Bears ranked first in defense, the Ravens second, Texans fifth, Cowboys sixth, Chargers eighth and Seahawks 11th while none of their offenses cracked the top 10 other than the Chargers (eighth). In the divisional round, in three of the four games, the winner scored more than 30 points, so that maybe the mantra needs to be adjusted to "offense matters a lot in the NFL.













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Gurley breaks out of backfield for long TD reception.

What’s Ionteresting is you can see how the Ram’s offense influenced our offense. We love running in that bunch formation.

You can also see how Canada influenced the Rum’s offense with the jet seeeps and motions

Again having clocked 10 or 15 plays. Brady has a good bit more than 2.61 seconds to throw. He is also Tom Brady. KC got zero sacks and almost zero hurries. I remember one.

Our issue is not scheme. Our issue is offensive line execution. Our line against good teams got very little movement on standard zone blocking plays. At the point of attack the defensive line pushed us back into our backfield. Anyway this is never going to,stop. I am sure. It has been going on since I was a child.

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Our issue is not scheme. Our issue is offensive line execution. Our line against good teams got very little movement on standard zone blocking plays. At the point of attack the defensive line pushed us back into our backfield.

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Bama was in the backfield as soon as the ball was snapped. Joe never had 3 seconds to distribute the ball. Hell he didn't have 2 seconds.

There's no scheme in existence that doesn't include some blocking. There's an article floating around that spotswoode linked that's informative on LSU'S pass protection schemes and it doesn't make you feel warm and fuzzy.