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re: Offensive Line vs Scheme. NE vs KC - perfect explanation why LSU's scheme needs to change

Posted on 1/20/19 at 8:22 am to
Posted by bencoleman
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Posted on 1/20/19 at 8:22 am to
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Ben, This is a good article that shows the problems we were having on pass protection. It doesn’t make the case for max protect or spread, but you really get a look at how ghastly our blocking technique was



God that's awful. I wonder if it's the lack of athleticism at tackle that makes the powers that be feel forced into that particular blocking scheme?

Damn that doesn't inspire confidence moving forward.
Posted by mhc4tigers
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Posted on 1/20/19 at 8:22 am to
Against Alabama our time to throw is much less than 2.61.
Posted by mhc4tigers
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Posted on 1/20/19 at 8:23 am to
Brady time to throw is more than 2.61. And Drew Brees time to throw is more than 2.61
Posted by bencoleman
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Posted on 1/20/19 at 8:23 am to
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Hey Football genius.

Why do you think that was the case?

You think all of LSU's talent on the offensive line just happen to be busts and Clemson got it right with all of theirs?

Have you ever thought to yourself, "gee, maybe it's player development? Maybe their coordinator does a better job a scheming the offense so that the quarterback can get the ball out of his hands quickly to avoid sacks."

All of that is coaching.

You're like a chess player who blames your chess pieces for your losses. Football players are tools. LSU's offense is suffering from operator error. Not from shity tools




Hey you retarded frick.


They're sophomores they haven't had a chance to develop.
Posted by mhc4tigers
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Posted on 1/20/19 at 8:24 am to
We saw the clear difference between LSU and Bama demonstrated by Clemson. Clemson had time to throw and Clemson got movement at the point of attack when trying to,run the ball. Makes all the difference in the world.
Posted by mhc4tigers
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Posted on 1/20/19 at 8:27 am to
LSU uses motion. Jet sweeps and swing passes.
Posted by bencoleman
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Posted on 1/20/19 at 8:37 am to
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Against Alabama our time to throw is much less than 2.61



This right here.
Posted by 1badboy
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Posted on 1/20/19 at 9:03 am to
BQ I feel very sorry for u! U must have a very sad life!!!
Posted by DesenselessPlayer
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Posted on 1/20/19 at 9:08 am to
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The Patriots and Chiefs have good offensive lines. You can’t go this far into the season without a good OL in the NFL.



2016 Denver Broncos say hi. That entire offense was average at best. Peyton was nowhere near the Peyton of years ago. They won that championship on defense.
Posted by SEC Grapevine
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Posted on 1/20/19 at 9:10 am to
SCHEME...SCHEME...SCHEME

With all of these dominant skill athletes on the perimeter, the Clemson offense can always fall back on simple spread tactics against top defenses. Their run game is always potent and has produced many a top rusher but every elite team faces a real dilemma when they face the other blue bloods of college football. Come playoff time when you play a team like Notre Dame, or whichever non-Bama SEC power is emergent in a given year, you’re facing NFL DL and LBs and a team that got to that level because they can stop the run.

In the college game, the elites separate themselves from everyone else with their ability to win in the trenches, running the ball on their opponents and stopping the run. The elite teams are uniquely able to do this because they can recruit more of the freak 230-250 pound LBs that can run a 4.6, the 6-5/300 pound DTs that can’t be blocked without a double team, and build a phalanx of 6-5/300 pound OL that combine superior strength with unreal athleticism. Beyond Alabama, there’s always a handful of blue blood teams around the country that have a potent combo of such trench warriors that allow them to overwhelm their region that season.


Clemson taught Alabama and college football a valuable lesson.
It’s not exactly about complex tactics or imposing your will in the run game (save for key situations). It’s about throwing the ball to matchup weapons, particularly on the perimeter, and winning the matchup battle before the snap with tempo, movement, and hybrid players. The Patriots established that as the best practice in the NFL with their Super Bowl win over the Seattle Seahawks’ Legion of Boom, and Clemson has done so in the college game as well.





And this Lawrence fellow is going to be around for at least two more years, so everyone else better catch up quick.

Even when Clemson’s line allowed pressure, Lawrence either climbed up in the pocket (which is good!) or threw off his back foot (which is bad, unless you’re Lawrence).

I don’t even know what you do as a lineman here. You’re flailing away at a 6’5 missile platform who’s impervious to fluster. His eyes are downfield even though you’re bearing down on him. The ball comes out about 10 feet off the ground, almost impossible to bat. It’s going where it’s supposed to go, in a hurry.


But the blueprint is out there now, it’s clear that you beat Alabama by simplifying the game with the spread passing attack and moving the focal point out to the perimeter. Alabama’s big edge over the rest of college football has been Nick Saban marshaling the resources of that program and region to field the biggest, strongest, and most disciplined fronts in all of college football. So long as the game was going to be defined by head to head formational battles, Alabama wasn’t going to be topped.

Saban seems to have adopted the RPO spread offense to allow his team to score when necessary and to complement his rushing attack. When push came to shove against Clemson, Saban’s preference was clearly still to try and control the game with the run. By doing so, he brought a knife to a gun fight.

By playing in 10 personnel (one RB, zero TEs, four WRs), the Tigers embraced an up-tempo pace immediately. They welcomed Alabama to outnumber and overpower their rushing attack and force the pass, or else to get into dime and try to match Clemson’s WRs on the perimeter.

Alabama was smart enough to opt for the latter, but it wasn’t enough. Even with six DBs on the field, they couldn’t throw Lawrence off his game with disguises, nor match up against Justyn Ross and the Tiger skill personnel.



The common denominator of this thread is that if you have O-Line and Pass Protection problems, like everyone, you need to change your Scheme, spread things out, develop a short passing - quick release game, and copy what works.








Beatdown on the Bayou:










Posted by bencoleman
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Posted on 1/20/19 at 9:10 am to
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BQ I feel very sorry for u! U must have a very sad



Don't feel sorry for me. I'm fine with my life. Worry about your own and your own family.
Posted by Amused Lurker
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Posted on 1/20/19 at 9:12 am to
When the NCAA allows teams to practice and meet 50 hrs per week and have offseason mini camps, you will see deeper NFL playbooks in college. NCAA is about execution of a simple scheme with a few variance. Like every other career, professionals are better than those in college
Posted by bencoleman
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Posted on 1/20/19 at 9:15 am to
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. They won that championship on defense



Then they damn sure didn't win it because of their scheme on offense.
Posted by KTiger85
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Posted on 1/20/19 at 9:19 am to
Don't agree with any posters that focus on just players or just scheme. It is always both. Ask any coach. If you watched the Oline this year, you saw many breakdowns where we were slow-footed and just got beat. But you also saw other breakdowns where our guys clearly made mental mistakes and went with the wrong guy. Some of these could be scheme. Rewatch the games and focus on line play and you will see both talent and scheme failures. This team was so close to a 1 loss season, so the sky is not falling. It is easy to see we didn't have superior talent at the tackle spot this year, so we need to hope somebody steps up (Rosenthal, Wire,?). Let's hope for some clutch play calling, too. Let's throw in fewer receiver drops to our wish list.
This post was edited on 1/20/19 at 9:28 am
Posted by DesenselessPlayer
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Posted on 1/20/19 at 9:20 am to
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Hey you retarded frick.



This is what every thread you post in turn into.

This and player bashing.

What kind of fan constantly bashed the players?

Posted by bencoleman
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Posted on 1/20/19 at 9:24 am to
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This is what every thread you post in turn into.

This and player bashing.

What kind of fan constantly bashed the players


Can you kindly point to the bashing of players in this thread?

Thank you in advance.
Posted by bencoleman
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Posted on 1/20/19 at 9:28 am to
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by KTiger85
Don't agree with any posters that focus on just players or just scheme. It is always both. Ask any coach. If you watched the Oline this year, you saw many breakdowns where we were slow-footed and just got beat. But you also saw other breakdowns where our guys clearly made mental mistakes and went with the wrong guy. Some of these could be scheme. Rewatch the games and focus on line play and you will see both talent and scheme failures. This team was so close to a 1 loss season, so the sky is not falling. It is easy to see we didn't have superior talent at the tackle spot this year, so we need to hope somebody steps up (Rosenthal, Wire,?). Let's hope for some clutch play calling, too. Let's throw in fewer receiver drops to our wish list. ?



The article linked earlier is eye opening. It's also discouraging.

LSU has to improve at the tackle position.
Posted by oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
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Posted on 1/20/19 at 9:32 am to
I purposely stay out the threads you are retarding up for like a week, after I was disgustingly accused (by you) of wishing you would die of cancer, and it's more and more of the same every single day from you.

You are quick to point the blame at me, and every single other person who disagrees with you, but it is you who is constantly doing the same thing in every thread: Blame players, blindly defend certain coaches, name call every poster who doesn't agree with you.

You just flat out suck. Give it a damn rest already.
Posted by bencoleman
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Posted on 1/20/19 at 9:39 am to
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oOoLsUtIgErSoOo


You fricking skuzz. You can't stop can you. Pile your sorry arse in here with the rest you fricking lowlife. I don't usually answer your stupid shite but you had to try and get some attention didn't you.
Posted by oOoLsUtIgErSoOo
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Posted on 1/20/19 at 9:41 am to
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You can't stop can you


Says the person who is in a thread every single day, saying the exact same stuff. You like to blame me, but I've been away for a while, and it's the same old stupid arse Ben. I think you need to look in the mirror with all your personal attacks on everyone else.
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