re: Offensive Line vs Scheme. NE vs KC - perfect explanation why LSU's scheme needs to change

This is the dumbest post I've seen in a while.

DeShaun Watson - RPO /Read Option to Renfrow for comparison


Pick your poison:



6'5" Tee Higgins



6'4" Justyn Ross

All 3rd & long

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er. It's not always that easy either but the "max protect" hasn't worked for a long time and that was proven over and over again in the miles era

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I don't know of anyone that would defend the max protect. There has to be a reason that they felt forced to utilize it. I was as appalled by the Sullivan interview as anyone else so I don't understand somebody throwing the max protect up there like someone would legitimately argue for it.

I think that the offense will be night and day compared to this past season this year.

People talk about changing schemes like they talk about changing clothes. I highly doubt that mid season it works that way.

The common denominator of this thread is that if you have O-Line problems and Pass Protection you need to change your Scheme and copy what works.

Recruits will not fix an inherently outdated system. The pace of change is months, not years. McVay, and the NFL can change in short time frames.

Saban has the best recruits in the SECW/FBS but he lost because he tried to run and control the game when he could not pass. His OL could not buy 2 seconds for Tua. LSU has always had OL problems. You are not going to get 3+ seconds without a change in Scheme: Spread, Tempo, RPO, 4WRs, HUNH.

Do you remember Josh Williford, 6'7" 360 OL Guard who suffered a concussion on a blind side block vs FLA in 2013, like the hit on Burrow. He had to quit. His concussion ended his career. Smashmouth 'Phone Booth' football with no spread or Tempo is to blame.

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Smashmouth 'Phone Booth' football with no spread or Tempo is to blame.

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couldn't agree more. What is really encouraging is the direction the offense was going as the season progressed. We started running a quicker tempo offense and spread the ball out a good bit more as this type offense seems to be right in Ensmingers wheel house and what it seems he wants with the offense. Now with the experience Burrow and the oline gained this past season we should see even more of that.

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Ben, I appreciated this post and upvoted it. It was fair and candid. I know you have a job to do that is to protect O&E & the status quo and to deflect criticism, it provides you income & health benefits

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You understand how absurd this post is. If you really believe the shite that you just posted you aren't living in the real world and it's going to be impossible to take you seriously.

I'm in no way, shape, or form affiliated with the coaches, football program, or university at all. There are people on this board that know me in real life and they will do nothing but laugh in your face if you suggested what you're claiming to them.

You spend a lot of time posting about me which makes me nervous about your mental health. You obviously know nothing about me and assume a lot that is baseless.

Anytime a person seemingly stalks another on a message board that should be cause for alarm.

The flaw in your logic is that, with rare exceptions, colleges don’t have QBs who can execute like the NFL QBs This guy at Clemson will be a superstar QB in the pros. I saw Mahomes play one college game (against LSU) and I could see he was an NFL talent.

If you want to make an NFL comparison, give me a team with a makeshift offensive line that is still among the most productive offenses in the NFL because of sheme. To be honest. I don’t follow the NFL, but I know football well enough to know that that team does not exist - cannot exist.

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I don't know of anyone that would defend the max protect.

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Yes, you do. Ensminger.
You can add me to the list. It’s very simple. They had a line that could not protect. You cannot solve that by spreading out. You would still have a line that can’t protect. The defenses were sometimes getting dlinemen, almost untouched, to the QB.

“Spread out, and throw quick hitters”, you say? Two of our top three receivers were true freshmen who could not handle the decision making to adjust routes to defensive schemes. Sppreading it out and making forced quick throws, due to poor protection, to receivers who might, or might not, be breaking the correct way is a recipe for turnovers.

For the 100th time - There is no offensive scheme that compensates for a talent deficiency in the offensive line. As a corollary: There is no defensive scheme that compensates for a talentless dline. You can chuck-and-duck on offense, or blitz eight guys every play on defense, and you might surprise a team and win. But you’re not winning 10 games like that.

LSU’s problem has been that Miles let the line talent erode at LSU. Look at all the NFL talent we have in the pros, there are very few linemen from the last seven years. Compare that to WRs, RBs, LBs, and DBs. I’m not saying we have a championship caliber offensive staff - hell, I don’t know - I’’m just saying that until Orgeron fixes the line talent, on both sides of the ball, we will not be in the conversation in November. He has fixed the Dline. He seems to be fixing the Oline. We’ll see.

If the offense is not significantly better in 2019 I’ll join the Scheme Team.

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I don't know of anyone that would defend the max protect.

Yes, you do. Ensminger.
You can add me to the list. It’s very simple. They had a line that could not protect. You cannot solve that by spreading out. You would still have a line that can’t protect. The defenses were sometimes getting dlinemen, almost untouched, to the QB

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I was talking about on this board and I stand corrected.

I defend the use of the play action but I couldn't stand the max protect. I'm inclined to agree with you on Oline issues though.

I did say that the coaches felt forced into the use of it.

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Hey football genius.


Trevor Lawrence was sacked 11 times last year

Burrow was sacked 34 times.


Now you still want to say that LSU'S offensive line was just as good as Clemson's

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Hey Football genius.

Why do you think that was the case?

You think all of LSU's talent on the offensive line just happen to be busts and Clemson got it right with all of theirs?

Have you ever thought to yourself, "gee, maybe it's player development? Maybe their coordinator does a better job a scheming the offense so that the quarterback can get the ball out of his hands quickly to avoid sacks."

All of that is coaching.

You're like a chess player who blames your chess pieces for your losses. Football players are tools. LSU's offense is suffering from operator error. Not from shity tools.