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re: Observation on Jefferson
Posted on 1/10/11 at 9:42 am to Antonio Moss
Posted on 1/10/11 at 9:42 am to Antonio Moss
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So you think Jason White was a mediocre college QB?
Of course he was mediocre. The only thing White proves is that a QB with mediocre skills can still put up big numbers in college football when the defenses are suspect.
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Posted on 1/10/11 at 9:51 am to Jay Quest
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Apparently every NFL GM thought he was mediocre as well.
NFL and College are two different animals. By the time White went pro, he had to reconstructed knees and the body of a 40 year old man.
None of this changes what he did in college.
Posted on 1/10/11 at 9:53 am to Holden Caulfield
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Holden Caulfield
didnt jason white win the heisman?
mediocre..
Posted on 1/10/11 at 9:55 am to Antonio Moss
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None of this changes what he did in college.
No it doesn't but neither does his numbers prove he was anything other than a QB who shined against inferior defenses. College stats can be very misleading when assessing a player's abilities and potential.
Is it your opinion White was destined for an NFL career and only an injury prevented him from being on a roster today?
Posted on 1/10/11 at 9:56 am to BT
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didnt jason white win the heisman?
mediocre..
And was a Top 3 finisher in 2004.
I think some people need to reread the definition of mediocre.
Posted on 1/10/11 at 9:56 am to BT
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didnt jason white win the heisman?
Yes, and he wasn't the first player with mediocre skills to do so.
Posted on 1/10/11 at 10:00 am to Jay Quest
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Is it your opinion White was destined for an NFL career and only an injury prevented him from being on a roster today?
No, White didn't have the skills to thrive at the NFL level. I think injuries cost him a few years as a serviceable backup, though.
And still, all of this is irrelevant. It takes a completely different skill set to thrive at the NFL level when compared to college.
Furthermore, physical ability doesn't dictate success at either level (see Drew Brees). White was one of the most efficient, winningest QBs this decade. OU had the highest scoring offense in the country his junior and senior year and went a combined 25-3.
To say that he was mediocre is just ridiculous.
Posted on 1/10/11 at 10:01 am to Holden Caulfield
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Yes, and he wasn't the first player with mediocre skills to do so.
True. There have been Heisman winners in the past that the NFL passed over. GM's know college numbers are not indicitive of skill.
Posted on 1/10/11 at 10:05 am to Holden Caulfield
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he wasn't the first player with mediocre skills to do so.
Mediocre skills =/= mediocre QB.
And White's skills were not mediocre on the college level.
Posted on 1/10/11 at 10:06 am to Antonio Moss
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To say that he was mediocre is just ridiculous.
I don't think its ridiculous to say his skill level was mediocre. No one said he wasn't successful and effectibe at OU, only that those attributes shouldn't be confused with skill level.
There were any number of college QBs playing doing the White years who were superior QBs and didn't win the Heisman.
Posted on 1/10/11 at 10:09 am to Antonio Moss
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Mediocre skills =/= mediocre QB.
And I think it does. As I said, a QB with mediocre skills can still be successful and put up big numbers but when all is said and done he's still mediocre.
Difference of opinion.
Posted on 1/10/11 at 10:11 am to Holden Caulfield
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And I think it does.
So you think Drew Brees is a mediocre NFL QB?
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As I said, a QB with mediocre skills can still be successful and put up big numbers
Which is the exact opposite of the definition of mediocre.
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Difference of opinion.
More like an ignorance of the term "mediocre."
According to you, these LSU QBs would also be mediocre:
Rohan Davey
Matt Mauck
Matt Flynn
Posted on 1/10/11 at 10:16 am to Antonio Moss
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So you think Drew Brees is a mediocre NFL QB?
No, he certain'y doesn't have medocre skills. I don't know why you would think asking this question proves a point.
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Which is the exact opposite of the definition of mediocre.
Damn dude you're really thick. Saying someone with mediocre skills is mediocre is the exact opposite of the meaning of the word mediocre?
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According to you, these LSU QBs would also be mediocre:
Yea, you're thick.
This post was edited on 1/10/11 at 10:17 am
Posted on 1/10/11 at 10:17 am to ryanoz
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move him to TE after Mettenberger wins the job
Greatest Post Ever.
Posted on 1/10/11 at 10:17 am to USLttarP
Two QB system it works in college.
Posted on 1/10/11 at 10:22 am to SteveLSU35
I'm almost sorry I used the word mediocre in describing White. The point I was making is that a college QB can look very good against bad defenses.
Posted on 1/10/11 at 10:23 am to Antonio Moss
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I think some people need to reread the definition of mediocre.
Posted on 1/10/11 at 10:27 am to BT
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I think some people need to reread the definition of mediocre.
Its all a matter of how you assess the player. To some the numbers and success prove he wasn't mediocre. To others his lack of skill comparable to other QBs, and the fact the NFL passed on him, proves it does.
Not a big deal
Posted on 1/10/11 at 10:31 am to CajunFootball
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Looked a lot like 2007.
This. And like that year, it worked. So, where was that all season (OK, past two seasons)?
Posted on 1/10/11 at 10:32 am to Holden Caulfield
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No, he certain'y doesn't have medocre skills. I don't know why you would think asking this question proves a point.
Drew Brees has a mediocre skill set compared to the prototypical NFL QB.
Yet, he's still one of the top 3 QBs in the league.
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Damn dude you're really thick. Saying someone with mediocre skills is mediocre is the exact opposite of the meaning of the word mediocre?
Yes. You are trying to associate mediocre skill set with mediocre performance. First, White didn't have a mediocre skill set for college (NFL, yes.) However, that is irrelevant because his production/performance wasn't close to mediocre - it was closer to elite.
So yes - White's production/performance was the exact opposite of mediocre.
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Yea, you're thick.
I figured this would be the type of response I'd get.
White had a superior skill set to Mauck and was on par with Davey. Yet, White had greater production/performance. So if White was a "mediocre college QB," then so were these two guys.
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