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re: Observation on Jefferson
Posted on 1/10/11 at 10:45 am to Antonio Moss
Posted on 1/10/11 at 10:45 am to Antonio Moss
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Drew Brees has a mediocre skill set compared to the prototypical NFL QB.
Absolutely the most absurd comment posted in this thread. Bress' skills are as good or better than most playing the position in the NFL.
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White's production/performance was the exact opposite of mediocre.
I define mediocre by skill. I define mediocre by how this one player stacks up in comparrison to others. I can look at his stats and say he was successful but still know he was not any where near being one of the best QB's in college football even in the year he won the Heisman.
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Posted on 1/10/11 at 10:57 am to Holden Caulfield
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Absolutely the most absurd comment posted in this thread. Bress' skills are as good or better than most playing the position in the NFL.
You are out of your mind.
Brees' physical skill set is near the bottom of the NFL. However, he's great at reading coverages and checking down. And he's accurate enough to make defenses pay.
Posted on 1/10/11 at 11:01 am to Antonio Moss
Brees = 2nd most intercepetions in a season by a QB
Posted on 1/10/11 at 11:04 am to Antonio Moss
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Brees' physical skill set is near the bottom of the NFL
I had a feeling you were referring to physical stature. I'm talking skill level and that includes the things you mentioned like reading coverages and checking down and accuracy. His physical lackings is not an issue.
Posted on 1/10/11 at 11:07 am to Holden Caulfield
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I had a feeling you were referring to physical stature.
And arm strength which is huge in the NFL.
And speed.
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I'm talking skill level and that includes the things you mentioned like reading coverages and checking down and accuracy.
Which White was great at in college.
Posted on 1/10/11 at 11:10 am to Antonio Moss
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Which White was great at in college.
White was successful against bad Big 12 defenses. Would your assessment of him differ had he played in the SEC and put up lesser numbers while possessing the same skill level?
Posted on 1/10/11 at 11:13 am to Antonio Moss
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And arm strength which is huge in the NFL.
Brees is capable of making every pass an NFL QB is expected to make. His arm strength is not in question.
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And speed.
He's quick in the pocket. Unless you're Michael Vick speed is not a factor in playing QB in the NFL
Posted on 1/10/11 at 11:18 am to Holden Caulfield
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White was successful against bad Big 12 defenses.
During his heisman year, the Big 12 had four teams with defenses ranked in the top 25.
That same year, 2003, the SEC had four teams with defenses ranked in the top 25.
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Would your assessment of him differ had he played in the SEC and put up lesser numbers while possessing the same skill level?
Mauck has a similar skill set to White. He played in the SEC in 2003 with the same amount of top 25 defenses. He put statistics that pale in comparison to White.
Do you think Mauck was a mediocre CFB QB?
Posted on 1/10/11 at 11:24 am to Antonio Moss
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Would your assessment of him differ had he played in the SEC and put up lesser numbers while possessing the same skill level?
You deflected the question as it was posed. Are you basing your assessment of White strictly on his numbers or would you reassess had he played in a conference with better defenses and failed to put up those same numbers.
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During his heisman year, the Big 12 had four teams with defenses ranked in the top 25.
That same year, 2003, the SEC had four teams with defenses ranked in the top 25.
Doesn't mean a thing. Stats are no way to compare conferences. SEC defenses > Big 12 defenses
Posted on 1/10/11 at 11:32 am to Holden Caulfield
Please stop.
This was a thread about JJ and the last 2 pages have been spent talking about Jason White.
This was a thread about JJ and the last 2 pages have been spent talking about Jason White.
Posted on 1/10/11 at 11:37 am to Holden Caulfield
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Are you basing your assessment of White strictly on his numbers or would you reassess had he played in a conference with better defenses and failed to put up those same numbers.
You assume that the SEC had superior defenses.
While I think the SEC's defenses were better than the Big 12 at that time, I don't think the margin of difference was all that great.
I would reassess IF White played in the SEC with superior defenses and IF White failed to put up better than average numbers. However, this is all speculation and based on at least one presumption that the data says is incorrect.
But, the fact of the matter is, we don't need speculation. I can base my opinion on White's actual effectiveness as a college QB, which was nearly elite.
Posted on 1/10/11 at 11:43 am to Antonio Moss
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I would reassess IF White played in the SEC with superior defenses and IF White failed to put up better than average numbers.
That's all I was seeking from you. If you reasses your opinion based upon lesser numbers while his skill level remained the same regardless of which conference he played in, then we're never going to reach an agreement on this issue since were coming from two entirely different positions.
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I can base my opinion on White's actual effectiveness as a college QB, which was nearly elite.
I agree you can base his effectiveness on what he accomplished in college. No arguement there. Where we differ is that I don't believe we can assess his skills in the same manner.
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