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re: Observation #1: Jarett Lee is NOT the answer.
Posted on 10/25/10 at 12:22 pm to rutiger
Posted on 10/25/10 at 12:22 pm to rutiger
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while this may be true, it'll never happen with crowton at the helm. players adjust to him, he doesnt adjust to players
This is becoming more and more clear as time moves on.
You have to blame this on the coaches, or Shepherd must be abysmal at QB. I just don't see it. Either that or JJ and JLee are practice warriors. Either way, I've said since the beginning of the "debate," neither is very good. It doesn't really matter who is in, we'll have to gameplan around a glaring weakness. And Crowton doesn't do that well.
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Posted on 10/25/10 at 12:25 pm to tycertd
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i dont think we need to get rid of miles i just think he should have gotten a new offensive coordinator last yr and let the him have sole control of the offense.
Les Miles is the CEO of this corporation and is ultimately responsible for EVERY aspect of it. Don't blame anybody else.
Miles is NOT going to give FULL control of the offense to ANYBODY; Gary Crowton or anybody else that may be brought in. I think that Crowtons head was defintely on the chopping block after LAST season, but Alleva balked at paying GC's contract buy out. LM and GC are like oil and water in that they don't mix very well. You see that every week with lack of offensive production, despite the talent at RB and WR.
Miles is a conservative I-formation power running guy. Crowton is a wide open Spread passing guy. I'm sure it's a Civil War every week between the two of them trying to decide on what to run. Just look at the results on the field. It's an unproductive offense that's obviously being pulled in two different directions, not only in the play calling, but in player personel decisions.
I'm still mystified as to why Crowton was even hired in the first place and why he's been retained for so long. (Outside of the contract buyout issue) He certainly has the offensive knowledge in his head, but doesn't seem like he's able to translate what he knows into a system that is simple enough for college QB's/WR's to understand. (His "QB-WR read and react then adjust the route on the fly while in motion based on what the defense is doing" BS will just not work in college. (Except maybe at a school like Boise, Stanford or BYU that has more "Cerebral" athletes to pull it off). GC seems more suited to the NFL and players that already have a more extensive knowledge of the game.
Since CEO Miles is not going to give any potential OC the reigns to FULLY implement their system, he's going to have to find somebody that has the same offensive philosophy as he does. Hire a compatible OC, then immediately go out and search for an experienced veteran offensive line coach with proven success in developing OL's within that same system the he and the new OC want to run. Hell, hire the OC/OL coach as a package deal from the same school.
Once the OC/OL coach are in place, then hire a legitimate QB coach. Eliminate the dedicated TE coach position to do this. The WR coach can handle both WR's and TE's since they all run routes, catch passes and block. Since Les seems to be loyal to his asistant coaches, this could be accomplished with minimum staff upheavel by just moving Ensminger (Former LSU QB) to full time QB coach and let Gonzales coach WR's and TE's.
So if you want to keep Miles around for another year minimum, these changes would offer the best chance of having an efficient enough offensive staff that might be capable of producing a Championship.
The big problem in hiring a new OC/OL coach is going to be trying to find coaches that would make the switch over to LSU knowing that their job is on the line immediately. Would be risky business taking a job knowing full well that the HC may get the boot after them being there only one season if they dont produce............
Posted on 10/25/10 at 12:28 pm to Buda
There is no j or = in the word risk.
JLee is still better than JJ
FWIW
JLee is still better than JJ
FWIW
Posted on 10/25/10 at 12:29 pm to Freauxzen
it blows my mind that somebody like crowton, who has coached at the highest level of football for so many years is so incapable of changing his scheme for his personnel.
Posted on 10/25/10 at 12:30 pm to Buda
Bottom line: LSU would still be 7-1 had Lee been the starter all year(and the team still failed miserably at Au) and JJ not played at all. On the other hand without JL playing the team has 3 losses now instead of one. Lee has outperformed Jefferson this season, Saturday's game notwithstanding.
Posted on 10/25/10 at 12:32 pm to Buda
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Plain and simple: he's scared of getting hit. He gets happy feet as soon as he gets a rush. He doesn't set his feet and throw. Both of which can easily result in INTs. Also, once he feels any rush at all, he crumbles into the fetal position and goes to the ground.
What does JJ do? He slides on the ground like a fricking sissy when he's about to be hit. Cam Newton puts his head down and takes no prisoners.
Posted on 10/25/10 at 12:34 pm to RANDY44
I think Miles has known from the start that neither of our quarterbacks were gonna be able to get the job done. Why do you think he was talking about Zach Lee getting playing time before he signed with the Dodgers?
Posted on 10/25/10 at 12:36 pm to RANDY44
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Bottom line: LSU would still be 7-1 had Lee been the starter all year(and the team still failed miserably at Au) and JJ not played at all. On the other hand without JL playing the team has 3 losses now instead of one. Lee has outperformed Jefferson this season, Saturday's game notwithstanding.
Bottom line? It's impossible to extrapolate any of that.
Posted on 10/25/10 at 12:38 pm to RANDY44
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Bottom line: LSU would still be 7-1 had Lee been the starter all year(and the team still failed miserably at Au) and JJ not played at all. On the other hand without JL playing the team has 3 losses now instead of one. Lee has outperformed Jefferson this season, Saturday's game notwithstanding.
That is one Kierkegaardian leap of faith.
Posted on 10/25/10 at 12:39 pm to CP3LSU25
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we know they weren't the answer this year but we thought JL was the answer to beat Auburn thats all we needed
Let me tell you. He wasn't.
Posted on 10/25/10 at 12:40 pm to RANDY44
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Bottom line: LSU would still be 7-1 had Lee been the starter all year(and the team still failed miserably at Au) and JJ not played at all. On the other hand without JL playing the team has 3 losses now instead of one. Lee has outperformed Jefferson this season, Saturday's game notwithstanding.
Posted on 10/25/10 at 12:42 pm to Buda
This year there are only two choices and of the two JL provides LSU with the best opportunity to win. So as I see it JL is the right answer this year.
Posted on 10/25/10 at 12:46 pm to YoungJR24
I don't think that I have heard anyone say that JL is THE ANSWER. What is clear to many of us on this board is that (1) we have two quarterbacks who are not entirely up to SEC standards, but (2) JL is the better of the two QBs and gives us the best chance to win games. Frankly, JL could be a reasonable SEC quarterback, but he has not really been given much of a chance. He needs to be given the ball to start a game and see what he can do in terms of getting into a passing rhythm.
The inconsistencies with JL have to be laid at the feet of our offensive coordinator. JL is not a running quarterback like JJ, but that doesn't mean he can't manage an offense that mixes up the run and pass. Whose fault is it that most of his snaps were passes? He also needs to be permitted to look down the field for medium-length passes (10-20 yards) instead of throwing only predicatable screens to wideouts and passes where the wideouts run across the middle of the field about 3-5 yards past the line of scrimmage. I suspect that Lee can can consistently hit the kinds of passes that JJ threw for an interception on Saturday.
The inconsistencies with JL have to be laid at the feet of our offensive coordinator. JL is not a running quarterback like JJ, but that doesn't mean he can't manage an offense that mixes up the run and pass. Whose fault is it that most of his snaps were passes? He also needs to be permitted to look down the field for medium-length passes (10-20 yards) instead of throwing only predicatable screens to wideouts and passes where the wideouts run across the middle of the field about 3-5 yards past the line of scrimmage. I suspect that Lee can can consistently hit the kinds of passes that JJ threw for an interception on Saturday.
Posted on 10/25/10 at 12:49 pm to JustSmokin
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The real answer is LSU doesn't have one QB.
False.
There is a solution to fixing our offensive woes and it doesn't concern the quarterbacks.
It concerns a pink slip, a packing box, and a one-way ticket back to Utah.
Posted on 10/25/10 at 12:50 pm to rutiger
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it blows my mind that somebody like crowton, who has coached at the highest level of football for so many years is so incapable of changing his scheme for his personnel.
It shouldn't. Look at his coaching history. He completely molested the talent of John Beck and Dennis Dixon.
Posted on 10/25/10 at 12:55 pm to HooDooWitch
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This year there are only two choices and of the two JL provides LSU with the best opportunity to win.
In a generic, prostyle offense? Probably.
In Crowton's offense? I'm not so sure.
The only things truly known about this offense are Crowton's:
1) unwillingness to play to his personnel's strengths
2) unwillingness to attack a defense's weakness
3) unwillingness to disguise plays
4) unwillingness to make changes when certain things don't work
5) unwillingness to stay the course the few times things are working.
Posted on 10/25/10 at 8:55 pm to Antonio Moss
you guys are getting wat too sophisticated with the offensive scheme of Miles and crowton. Im a lot more concerned about getting the 4th down play in along with the players that are going to run it. My kids 7th grade coach does a better job. Anyone else not seriously embarassed by their inability. And we want the media off of Miles. Its a joke to almost any observer.
Posted on 10/25/10 at 9:04 pm to aglandry
Please see Jarrett Lee against Alabama in 2008 when he attempted to scramble on 3rd and 3 and ended up throwing the ball in the stands to avoid getting hit. It doesn't surprise me to see him throwing off his back foot, throwing a couple of WTF passes under pressure and that attempt at a first down when he should have cut up the field vice running out. Has me done with the qb position. Put RS back there and run the read option every play.
Posted on 10/25/10 at 9:05 pm to Alatgr
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Bottom line is Lee is not all that good, but Jefferson is absolutely terrible.
Lee has looked damn good at times this year and not so good at other times...but the majority of the time he has looked good. JJ has not looked good at any time this year passing the ball, and really for the last two years. This is a no brainer. We have fricking running backs to run the ball. If they would actually put lee in the game and allow him to throw the ball vertically instead of all these little swing passes, we might actually open up the damn running lanes. I am a miles supporter, but unfortunately, unless met comes in and just overwhelms, we are likely stuck with both jj and jl for the next year.
Posted on 10/25/10 at 9:10 pm to Buda
JJ has courage but no skill. JL has passing skills but no courage. This is obviously why the coaches have limited options. Was Garret really that bad?
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