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re: O deserves a lot more credit than most here give him.

Posted on 4/3/19 at 1:06 pm to
Posted by Damone
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Posted on 4/3/19 at 1:06 pm to
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Anyone that cried about his record at Ole Miss are complete idiots...how anyone can compare the LSU job to the Ole Miss job is crazy

Because the three years he was at Ole Miss were the outliers. His three-year tenure was the worst Ole Miss had has, and the coaches immediately before and after him did exponentially better than he did. Look, you can defend what he's done at LSU but don't try to whitewash the utter failure that was his Ole Miss record.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 4/3/19 at 1:06 pm to
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How many years?


Dont know.

Was Dabo a good hire?
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 4/3/19 at 1:06 pm to
Rodger please explain how your choice of 9 game stretch isnt a subjective stretch. Were there no game before that stretch you could pick from? Did miles tenure last 9 games?

Clown
This post was edited on 4/3/19 at 1:07 pm
Posted by Damone
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Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 4/3/19 at 1:07 pm to
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Ahh... so "bad hire" is dependent on results, not just resume

It's based on both. Something can be a bad hire at the time and ultimately turn into a good one. I even used your own rules to show that there is still no comparison between Dabo and O.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 4/3/19 at 1:07 pm to
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Are you saying that people shouldn't use known facts


What determines a good hire?

Resume?
Interview?
Results?
Posted by Damone
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Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 4/3/19 at 1:08 pm to
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Was Dabo a good hire?

This isn't the gotcha you think it is.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 4/3/19 at 1:09 pm to
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Something can be a bad hire at the time and ultimately turn into a good one.


Ok. So how do you judge the hire? How can a bad hire equal results?

I guess Dabo was just a bad hire then. Clemson fans can gripe forever eh?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 4/3/19 at 1:10 pm to
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Rodger please explain how your choice of 9 game stretch isnt a subjective stretch.


I have, twice, get someone competent to explain it to you
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 4/3/19 at 1:11 pm to
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Ok. So how do you judge the hire? How can a bad hire equal results?

I guess Dabo was just a bad hire then. Clemson fans can gripe forever eh?




Hires don't have to be either good or bad. There's a gray area in between the two.

If you don't have a history before you're hired then I don't see how you can call it a bad or good hire. It's neutral.

If someone has a horrible record and gets hired for a job, then it can be argued that that is a bad hire. Not that hard of a concept.
This post was edited on 4/3/19 at 1:13 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 4/3/19 at 1:11 pm to
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Was Dabo a good hire?

This isn't the gotcha you think it is.



Why?

There's are people in this thread saying regardless of results, Orgeron will always be a bad hire.

Wouldn't that be true for Dabo?
Posted by TigerAlum93
Member since Sep 2010
3235 posts
Posted on 4/3/19 at 1:13 pm to
Burrow for year two was HUGE. LSU will finally have the passing game fans have been craving.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297065 posts
Posted on 4/3/19 at 1:14 pm to
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Hires don't have to be either good or bad. There's a gray area in between the two.



Ah.

So saying either Dabo or Orgeron were bad hires is/was premature

Gotcha, appreciate you making my point
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16108 posts
Posted on 4/3/19 at 1:15 pm to
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I've got to say, I'm pleasantly surprised, and I'm glad to see we have a coach that makes a strong effort to fix something when it's broken.



That Coach O recognizes problems and actively works to fix them is huge and he does a good job of doing so. I also was not a fan of the hire at the time but he continuely keeps making decisions and taking actions that impress me and make me feel that the right decision was made with hiring him.

He has brought back the magic of LSU football once again
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 4/3/19 at 1:16 pm to
He arrived after Eli and Nutt benefited from his recruiting
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48018 posts
Posted on 4/3/19 at 1:18 pm to
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have, twice, get someone competent to explain it to you


You in no way explained how you CHOOSING 9 games isnt subjective.
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sub·jec·tive

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adjective

1.

based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions.




You chose 9 games. Making it a subjective time period.
You would think such a successful business manager woukd know the definition of subjective.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297065 posts
Posted on 4/3/19 at 1:19 pm to
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You chose 9 games.


The last nine
Posted by Damone
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Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 4/3/19 at 1:20 pm to
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He arrived after Eli and Nutt benefited from his recruiting

Posted by ShermanTxTiger
Broussard, La
Member since Oct 2007
11321 posts
Posted on 4/3/19 at 1:21 pm to
In 2.5 years he beat one team that was significantly higher ranked than we were at home.

He lost by 30 to Miss St, twice to Bama without scoring a point, lost to Troy and allowed A$M to beat us for the first time in 15 years.

I am not seeing all the credit you think he deserves. The wheels have not come off the program but I don't see much, if any, of a HC upgrade.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48018 posts
Posted on 4/3/19 at 1:21 pm to
Well youre talking to someone that thinks choosing a 9 game stretch over 2 seasons to judge a coach isnt a subjective time period.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
69574 posts
Posted on 4/3/19 at 1:21 pm to
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The last nine


well that is just crazy to fire a coach on his most recent games
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