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re: Not to sound like a negatiger, but
Posted on 3/14/10 at 12:56 pm to StreetDiction
Posted on 3/14/10 at 12:56 pm to StreetDiction
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the fact that we're finally returning a starting QB from the year before.
Hopefully that will help, but it's strange that it is only now that that has become important. From 2001 through 2007, we only had one year (2006) when the starting QB also had started the majority of the games the year before. We seemed to do OK with a new starter almost every year back then, but for some reason now it is apparently impossible.
Posted on 3/14/10 at 12:59 pm to LSUCentral
Since you are a SMU fan, shouldn't you be posting on their board?
Posted on 3/14/10 at 1:25 pm to rickyh
I'm an LSU fan and I go to LSU, but I like SMU's logo and mascot.
Posted on 3/14/10 at 3:36 pm to Nuts4LSU
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From 2001 through 2007, we only had one year (2006) when the starting QB also had started the majority of the games the year before.
I'm pretty sure Mauck started 7 games in '02 before getting hurt.
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We seemed to do OK with a new starter almost every year back then,
'02 was not "OK." Neither was '04 offensively
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but for some reason now it is apparently impossible.
No, it's just really hard for underclassmen. We did fine in '07 with Flynn(while Miles was coach. So was Crowton for that matter). It's just the past 2 years when we've started 2nd year players that we've had the problem. But if you're too stupid to see the difference between a redshirt FR Jarrett Lee and a 5th year SR Rohan Davey, then I don't think you can be helped. Not that you want to be anyway, you miserable frick.
Posted on 3/14/10 at 3:42 pm to Hot Carl
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But if you're too stupid to see the difference between a redshirt FR Jarrett Lee and a 5th year SR Rohan Davey, then I don't think you can be helped.
Posted on 3/14/10 at 4:40 pm to Nuts4LSU
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From 2001 through 2007, we only had one year (2006) when the starting QB also had started the majority of the games the year before.
How long had those QBs been in the program before they became starters?
Bama had a 1st year starter at QB last year too, but he had been in the program since 06.
How hard is it to understand that most people get better at what they do the longer/more they do it???
Posted on 3/14/10 at 9:18 pm to LSUCentral
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LSUCentral
SMU Fan
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Not to sound like a negatiger, but
is anyone actually expecting huge changes on the offensive side of the ball? I just have a feeling like were going to be in for another long year.
To be honest, I don't much care if SMU has changes on offense or not. Or whether they're in for a long year.
Posted on 3/14/10 at 9:29 pm to StreetDiction
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I am, but that's only because I have been paying attention to the numerous coaching hires, the change in intensity in the practices, and the fact that we're finally returning a starting QB from the year before.
+1
Posted on 3/14/10 at 9:58 pm to Jcorye1
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Personally I think JJ will lose the starting gig
right...
Posted on 3/14/10 at 11:31 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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How long had those QBs been in the program before they became starters?
Not only that, but none of them had an odd jersey number less than 10 that wasn't a prime number, nor were any of them born between 8:17 a.m. and 10:23 a.m. on a weekday other than Tuesday in an even numbered year, nor did they have 14 letters total in their first and last names, and all but one of them were not coached by Gary Crowton.
What's the relevant characteristic they shared?
By the way, your answers:
2001 (Davey): 5th year senior
2002 (no one started the majority of the games): 3rd year soph (Mauck-6 games); 3rd year soph (Randall-6 games); 2nd year freshman (Clausen-1 game).
2003 (Mauck): 4th year junior
2004 (Randall): 5th year senior
2005 (Russell): 3rd year soph
2007 (Flynn): 5th year senior
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Bama had a 1st year starter at QB last year too, but he had been in the program since 06.
Yes, I'm sure riding the bench under the Shula regime did wonders to prepare him for going undefeated and winning a national championship.
But the Les-kissers never seem willing to answer one simple question...if experience and time in the program are so crucial that it is impossible to succeed without them, then why didn't we have our most experienced QB who had spent the most time in the program starting ahead of a guy who was so young and inexperienced that it was impossible for him to do well?
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How hard is it to understand that most people get better at what they do the longer/more they do it???
"most people" =/= LSU football players under Miles/Crowton
This post was edited on 3/14/10 at 11:40 pm
Posted on 3/14/10 at 11:39 pm to Hot Carl
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It's just the past 2 years when we've started 2nd year players that we've had the problem.
Why did we have 2nd year players two years in a row? Why wasn't 2008's 2nd year player a 3rd year player in 2009? If experience and time in the program are so incredibly important, why did we bench the more experienced player in favor of the less experienced player?
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'02 was not "OK." Neither was '04 offensively
'02 was fine until Mauck got hurt, and he was a first year starter as a redshirt sophomore at that time. '04 wasn't very good offensively, but it beat the hell out of 2009, and a redshirt freshman QB was key to some of our wins that year, plus another one that should have been a win but for the defensive breakdown at the end.
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I'm pretty sure Mauck started 7 games in '02 before getting hurt.
He started 6. Randall started 6. Clausen started 1.
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But if you're too stupid to see the difference between a redshirt FR Jarrett Lee and a 5th year SR Rohan Davey
So, what about the difference between a redshirt sophomore Jarrett Lee and a redshirt sophomore Matt Mauck or Jamarcus Russell?
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I don't think you can be helped.
Not by the likes of you, obviously.
Posted on 3/14/10 at 11:41 pm to Nuts4LSU
Didn't JaMarcus start some in '04?
Posted on 3/14/10 at 11:49 pm to AlwysATgr
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Didn't JaMarcus start some in '04?
Yes. He started 4 games in 2004.
Posted on 3/15/10 at 12:48 am to Nuts4LSU
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Yes, I'm sure riding the bench under the Shula regime did wonders to prepare him for going undefeated and winning a national championship.
Shula???
He was a RS in Shula's last season and never saw the field. He has played under Nick for 3 years and started this year. You were right bout one thing, I'm sure riding bench for 2 yrs did help prepare him for the 09 season
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But the Les-kissers never seem willing to answer one simple question...if experience and time in the program are so crucial that it is impossible to succeed without them
Look, if you can't understand the relationship that experience plays in success, I will never be able to explain it to you. Can a high level of success come without either time in the program or experience? Yes, but it's rare. imo
This post was edited on 3/15/10 at 1:04 am
Posted on 3/16/10 at 1:45 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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I'm sure riding the bench under the Shula regime
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Shula???
He was a RS in Shula's last season and never saw the field.
Um, yes. That's what "riding the bench" means.
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Look, if you can't understand the relationship that experience plays in success, I will never be able to explain it to you.
My level of understanding of the importance of experience is irrelevant. It's YOU who always harps on how important it is, in an apparent defense of Miles. If YOU think it's so important, and if Miles agrees with you, then why was our most experienced QB, with the most time in the program, sitting on the bench in 2009? And if a 3rd year player with practically a full season as the starter under his belt (Lee in 2009) isn't any better than a 2nd year player in his first year starting, why? Did we recruit badly? Did we coach him badly? And given his inability to perform in year 3 as a player and what would've been year 2 as a starter, what guarantee is there that Jefferson will any better next year just because he is a 3rd year player and 2nd year starter?
Posted on 3/16/10 at 2:58 pm to Nuts4LSU
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why was our most experienced QB, with the most time in the program, sitting on the bench in 2009
17 ints with 6 returned for TD's in 08 would be my guess.
I don't believe I ever said experience/time in the program was more important than talent or ability when it comes to success.
I'm only saying that the more experience/time in the program a player has the better the chance of success when he is called to be the main man if has the talent to be the main man.
Seems to be the way of the world in all avenues of life to me, but maybe you live in a different world.
Posted on 3/16/10 at 3:32 pm to StreetDiction
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and the fact that we're finally returning a starting QB from the year before.
I remember the late, great Hap Glaudi of WWL TV/Radio once saying on his radio show. "The good news is that Tulane returns 11 starters on defense for the upcoming season. The bad news is that Tulane returns the same 11 starters from the defense that gave up ________yards and________points per game.".........
Posted on 3/16/10 at 3:40 pm to TigerBandAlumnus82
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he's going to trust what he sees more this year
This, and if true he'll be a completely different player. If not Les will be in the Big X or Big XII the year after.
Posted on 3/16/10 at 3:42 pm to Nuts4LSU
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why was our most experienced QB, with the most time in the program, sitting on the bench in 2009?
he didn't sit the bench for the La Tech game
Posted on 3/16/10 at 3:49 pm to LSUCentral
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Not to sound like a negatiger, but
is anyone actually expecting huge changes on the offensive side of the ball? I just have a feeling like were going to be in for another long year.
LSUCentral's Prediction for russell shepard in 2010:
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700 yards rushing 10 td's
800 yards recieving 12 td's
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