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re: No way the lead in story for SportsCenter
Posted on 10/14/10 at 1:35 pm to ScoopAndScore
Posted on 10/14/10 at 1:35 pm to ScoopAndScore
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Russell Shepard, Spencer Ware, Rueben Randle could all execute what Jefferson does
How can they execute the same thing as JJ without any threat to throw the ball??
didnt know JJ was a threat to throw the ball....
Shep would def be more of a threat...and he's never thrown one in college...
check out his passing video on you tube...kid is money throwing the ball...hitting guys in stride....doesnt look like a bad release either...just doesnt have a lot of zip...but hey, neither did Danny Weurfall..
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Posted on 10/14/10 at 1:37 pm to jackson123
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You do realize that these are all 5 star athletes that played high school QB? You do realize that they were all the #1 PLAYER out of their state? You do realize that almost every athlete (watch PP7 in warmups it's insane) can throw the ball 20-30 yards?
I don't understand how this is hard. If you're going to run the zone-read offense (which we do with Jefferson), it doesn't take that good of an arm to execute. Darren McFadden was even effective and he doesn't have near the arm that those three do.
I think ive been saying it since Shep landed on campus...i watched that kid run the zone read to perfection 5 times in person...
Posted on 10/14/10 at 1:39 pm to stapuffmarshy
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have any of your ranters broke the stats down for last two games?
what were the running game numbers with JL on the field? carries/yds/avg etc
what are they with JJ?
Here is Florida
Lee 83 yards on 18 carries = 4.72 y/c
JJ 72 yards on 28 carries = 2.57 y/c
When Lee was in the game there were 4 plays with 0 or neg yards (5 carries over 5 yards)
When JJ was in the game there were 8 plays with 0 or negative yards (5 carries over 5 yards)
Looks like the running game was better with Lee in to me?
Posted on 10/14/10 at 1:40 pm to FootballNostradamus
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How can they execute the same thing as JJ without any threat to throw the ball??
JJ is a threat to throw?
Like I've said before, how many times did McFadden throw? Ronnie Brown? Ingram/Richardson? A well-executed Wildcat is effective not because of the passing threat.
wildcat and Zone read are two different things...wildcat you dont even have to throw..its just speed up the middle or to the end...zone read you have to be able to read the end and either A. Give, B. Pull or C. Pass...
shep accounted for 4 thousands yards in this offense...id say he knows it pretty well...just wish that he could get Crowtons terminology...Thiebaud was really simple...
Posted on 10/14/10 at 1:40 pm to lsuman242
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You do realize that these are all 5 star athletes that played high school QB? You do realize that they were all the #1 PLAYER out of their state? You do realize that almost every athlete (watch PP7 in warmups it's insane) can throw the ball 20-30 yards?
Thank God you have nothing to do with our fricking program.... we would be in terrible fricking shape
wow...you must think JJ is actually good..
Posted on 10/14/10 at 1:41 pm to ScoopAndScore
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You do realize that these are all 5 star athletes that played high school QB? You do realize that they were all the #1 PLAYER out of their state? You do realize that almost every athlete (watch PP7 in warmups it's insane) can throw the ball 20-30 yards?
I don't understand how this is hard. If you're going to run the zone-read offense (which we do with Jefferson), it doesn't take that good of an arm to execute. Darren McFadden was even effective and he doesn't have near the arm that those three do.
None of that matters if they'll never throw a pass in an SEC game. I just don't think the LSU coaching staff would get gimicky enough and risk those guys throwing the ball. So if they lined up at QB, it would 100% be a run.
well i dont want JJ throwing the ball....and those other three run a thousand times better then JJ...
Posted on 10/14/10 at 1:41 pm to Catman88
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Did you forget about the rushing TDs one QB has contributed?
Is there a reason a RB could also not score from 2 yards out?
Of course he got the play wrong on one of those TDs and just got lucky too.
Posted on 10/14/10 at 1:42 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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WildTchoupitoulas
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I think thats how it should be.
Yeah?
And what's YOUR coaching record?
total douche...
Posted on 10/14/10 at 1:43 pm to ScoopAndScore
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A well-executed Wildcat is effective not because of the passing threat.
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BINGO
Agree. But when has that ever been a part of our offensive scheme? I'm not saying it shouldn't be. I'd like to see Shep or some others get a shot at it. But to say Shep in the Wildcat is the same as JJ back there is just stupid. Completely different offensive look and set of options for the defense to consider.
shep should run the zone read....Ware could run the wildcat...deal?
Posted on 10/14/10 at 1:44 pm to BobBoucher
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BobBoucher
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Yeah?
And what's YOUR coaching record?
This is a forum right? You almost had me. For a second i thought i might have posted my opinion in a place where opinions are strictly forbidden.
Move to China a-hole.
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BobBoucher
Posted on 10/14/10 at 1:45 pm to TigerFan55555
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didnt know JJ was a threat to throw the ball....
This post was edited on 10/14/10 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 10/14/10 at 1:46 pm to Catman88
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Looks like the running game was better with Lee in to me?
and it should be.
With JJ in the game, opponents are more likely to stack the box more and safeties will play up. The result should be shorter runs. (0-4 yards) The plus side is if a runs does break through to the second level, it could go the distance (JJs opening TD against UT).
With Lee in the game, safeties stay deep, meaning more runs of the 4-8 yard variety.
evidence seems to support how defenses, or at least Florida, played JJ.
This post was edited on 10/14/10 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 10/14/10 at 1:49 pm to Sammobile
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Sammobile
he'll need to do that a lot more (and make less mistakes) before they respect his pass.
Posted on 10/14/10 at 1:54 pm to Catman88
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Here is Florida
Lee 83 yards on 18 carries = 4.72 y/c
JJ 72 yards on 28 carries = 2.57 y/c
When Lee was in the game there were 4 plays with 0 or neg yards (5 carries over 5 yards)
When JJ was in the game there were 8 plays with 0 or negative yards (5 carries over 5 yards)
Looks like the running game was better with Lee in to me?
yeah it does look that way. Just from watching it looked like LSU had more success running inside with JJ than JL but the numbers say I am wrong.
Im rather surprised at that. anyone got UT numbers?
Posted on 10/14/10 at 2:04 pm to stapuffmarshy
Do you include the JJ run in the Tenn game? It sorta causes the results to be skewed. Plus doesnt really show how Ridley would do with Lee in by contrast.
193 yards on 21 carries 9.19 y/c 5.5 if 1 run removed
Lee:
42 yards on 12 carries for 3.5 yards
Lee played more in the UT game than the FLA game but seemed to almost exclusively pass.
Also hard to tell how defenses adjusted since Lee wasnt in any game plans.
193 yards on 21 carries 9.19 y/c 5.5 if 1 run removed
Lee:
42 yards on 12 carries for 3.5 yards
Lee played more in the UT game than the FLA game but seemed to almost exclusively pass.
Also hard to tell how defenses adjusted since Lee wasnt in any game plans.
Posted on 10/14/10 at 2:05 pm to Angry LLAMA
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i dont completely trust lee to go out there and peyton manning it up. but i think its stupid to put lee in there and go 4-5 wide and sling it. put lee under center the whole game. pound the rock. make safe throws, play action
this...the idiots that love JJ are waiting for him to throw his first pick...when it actually happens to everyone...he's throwing shotgun spread 4 and 5 wide and still peppering guys in the chest....it amazes me...
Posted on 10/14/10 at 2:05 pm to CptBengal
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We also might not win without JJ either.
you're right...drives that end in punts and multiple turnovers are crucial for victory
good one..
Posted on 10/14/10 at 2:05 pm to ScoopAndScore
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umm, an opening play 80 yd TD run certainly doesn't help us win.
fluke...will never happen again..
Posted on 10/14/10 at 2:06 pm to LSU-MNCBABY
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umm, an opening play 80 yd TD run certainly doesn't help us win.
even a blind squirrel finds a nut occasionally.
and sometimes the sun shines on a dogs arse...
Posted on 10/14/10 at 2:06 pm to Sammobile
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Sammobile
Could you please come up with something from this year to make your point? Either the coaches don't trust JJ to make that pass this year (shite, I would not based on his performance this year) or he forgot when/how to throw the deep ball.
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