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re: NFL Network says Ridley is a steal in this draft...
Posted on 4/1/11 at 6:14 pm to BigBoyTiger
Posted on 4/1/11 at 6:14 pm to BigBoyTiger
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I think Ridley made a good decision to go. I wish him the best of luck.
I also wish him luck, but I question whether he in fact made the best decision for him long term.
I don't know his family situation, and I believe he plans on getting married soon? But I trust he'll do well in the NFL, and continue to make us proud of him.
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Posted on 4/1/11 at 6:42 pm to Lester Earl
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top notch backs can get 1000 with ANY team
How many guys meet this description in the NFL?
Posted on 4/1/11 at 7:15 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I see a helluva difference between the two, but maybe it's just me. They are not the same two types of athlete.
you're right, they are not the same type of athlete. Ridley is a much better athlete.
results from the 2011 combine.
ridley is a bigger back 5'11" 225lbs vs 5'9" 215lbs for Ingram.
Ingram is a step faster in the 40 4.62 vs 4.66 for Ridley.
vertical jump Riley 36" Ingram 31.5"
Broad jump Ridley 9'10" Ingram 9'5"
the jumps are a good indicater of explosive power. Ridley smoked Ingram in those two drills dispite being a bigger heavier back.
20yard shuttle: Ridley 4.21 Ingram 4.62
3 cone drill: Ridley 6.78 Ingram 7.13
again Ridley smokes Ingram in the cone and shuttle runs. A good measure of how fluid and agile an athlete is.
Bench with 225: Ingram 21 reps Ridley 18 reps
who cares about this stupid and useless test. LSU dosn't practice high rep bench presses. It's mainly a measure to see who has the shortest arms can get the most reps. They should replace it power cleans perhaps. A much better measure of football strenth.
Overall Ridley displayed much better athletism ath the combine than Ingram. OBUdan covered the on the field results pretty well in his post above.
Overall I would love to see Ridley slip down to the Saints in the 3rd or 4th round but I doubt he is there in the 4th and maybe not even in the 3rd. I think he does OK in the NFL. It will be interesting to see where these two guys get drafted.
Posted on 4/1/11 at 7:17 pm to OBUDan
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ingram has had success running against good teams, Ridley has not
Such a myth.
Average Opponent run defense Ingram faced: 62nd
Average Opponent run defense Ridley faced: 38th
Ingram only faced 2 opponents in the top 25 of run defenses in 09, Florida and Texas.
Ridley faced 5 top 25 defenses and put up 116 on WVU, who was ranked 2nd in the nation.
Not to mention the Alabama passing offense was substantially more productive than anything Ridley had to work with... I just entirely disagree with the point.
one other thing I would like to emphasize is that Ridley gained 1182 yards rushing in 2010, his only season starting. He gained this against defenses that were basically stacking the box all season due to ridiculous play calling by Crowton.
This post was edited on 4/1/11 at 7:33 pm
Posted on 4/1/11 at 7:27 pm to Scandalous55
If Ridley gets with a team that runs a blocking scheme similar to the Denver teams of old, that would be his wheelhouse.
IMV, the one thing he has that is actually superior to many backs considered better than him overall is VISION.
He isn't going to beat you to the corner but you better not be out of position because if there is ANY room straight ahead, it's a 4 yard gimme.
IMV, the one thing he has that is actually superior to many backs considered better than him overall is VISION.
He isn't going to beat you to the corner but you better not be out of position because if there is ANY room straight ahead, it's a 4 yard gimme.
Posted on 4/2/11 at 1:51 am to boxcar willie
I just think both are really similar players. In no way do I think Ridley will be an elite NFLer... I just Ingram is bound to be an NFL bust (relative to where he is drafted).
Wouldn't be surprised if the two ended up with similar careers.
Wouldn't be surprised if the two ended up with similar careers.
Posted on 4/2/11 at 2:01 am to boxcar willie
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you're right, they are not the same type of athlete. Ridley is a much better athlete.
Ingram will be a better NFL'er. He is much more physical than Ridley.
Posted on 4/2/11 at 7:07 am to DFWLSUTX
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Posted by DFWLSUTX on 4/1 at 3:11 pm to OBUDan
I honestly Tolliver is going to be the biggest steal in the draft....with his size.....throw in a better QB than Jefferson threw to him (i think its possible) and I think he will be one of the best LSU/nfl WR's
this made me laugh!!!!
Posted on 4/2/11 at 7:29 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Ingram will be a better NFL'er. He is much more physical than Ridley.
I personally don't feel it's by much if at all.
I feel what gives Ingram the edge is his vision.
This post was edited on 4/2/11 at 7:30 am
Posted on 4/2/11 at 7:42 am to OBUDan
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Such a myth.
Average Opponent run defense Ingram faced: 62nd
Average Opponent run defense Ridley faced: 38th
He said that Ingram had success running against good teams and Ridley hasn't. What he means is that Ridley got all of his yards versus weaker defenses and had trouble gaining yards against the better defenses LSU played, which is true.
I was never someone that was impressed with Ingram, but he is definitely leagues ahead of Ridley. The difference between the two is that Ingram actually has a future playing professional football (career, not 1-2 years) whereas Ridley does not. Go watch some footage of Ridley versus good defenses.
Posted on 4/2/11 at 7:59 am to OBUDan
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and can hold the weight much better
Ingram has more burst and balance than Ridley. Those 2 attributes account for the a 2 round draft difference.
Both players have excellent vision and are patient runners.
Posted on 4/2/11 at 9:31 am to That LSU Guy
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I feel what gives Ingram the edge is his vision.
mainly a burst thing, IMO, Ingram had the fastest 10 yard start of all the RB's, if I remember correctly. Ridley does have good vision, but he tends to hesitate a little after getting the ball.
Posted on 4/2/11 at 9:41 am to Ninja Looter
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He said that Ingram had success running against good teams and Ridley hasn't. What he means is that Ridley got all of his yards versus weaker defenses and had trouble gaining yards against the better defenses LSU played, which is true.
Guess you missed:
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Ridley faced 5 top 25 defenses and put up 116 on WVU, who was ranked 2nd in the nation.
116 on the 2nd ranked run defense in the nation.
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The difference between the two is that Ingram actually has a future playing professional football (career, not 1-2 years) whereas Ridley does not.
Because...?
Posted on 4/2/11 at 9:48 am to OBUDan
I lol'd at Ingram has a career ahead of him and Ridely does not...simply because the Rantor said so.
Posted on 4/2/11 at 9:52 am to ForeLSU
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mainly a burst thing, IMO, Ingram had the fastest 10 yard start of all the RB's
He did.
But Ridley tested out better or as good as (most times way better) him in every other test that measures explosive ability...
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Vertical jump The vertical jump is all about lower-body explosion and power. The athlete stands flat-footed and they measure his reach. It is important to accurately measure the reach, because the differential between the reach and the flag the athlete touches is his vertical jump measurement.
Ridley - 36 (which isn't great)
Ingram - 31.5
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Broad jump The broad jump is like being in gym class back in junior high school. Basically, it is testing an athlete's lower-body explosion and lower-body strength. The athlete starts out with a stance balanced and then he explodes out as far as he can. It tests explosion and balance, because he has to land without moving.
Ingram - 9'10
Ridley - 9'10
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3 cone drill The 3 cone drill tests an athlete's ability to change directions at a high speed. Three cones in an L-shape. He starts from the starting line, goes 5 yards to the first cone and back. Then, he turns, runs around the second cone, runs a weave around the third cone, which is the high point of the L, changes directions, comes back around that second cone and finishes.
Ridley - 6.78 (top 5 time)
Ingram - 7.13 (not even top 15)
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Shuttle run The short shuttle is the first of the cone drills. It is known as the 5-10-5. What it tests is the athlete's lateral quickness and explosion in short areas. The athlete starts in the three-point stance, explodse out 5 yards to his right, touches the line, goes back 10 yards to his left, left hand touches the line, pivot, and he turns 5 more yards and finishes.
Ingram - 4.62
Ridley - 4.21
Combine Drill Explanations
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This post was edited on 4/2/11 at 9:54 am
Posted on 4/2/11 at 9:55 am to OBUDan
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116 on the 2nd ranked run defense in the nation.
Wow, he had one 100 yard game out of five versus top 25 rush defenses. How unimpressive.
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Because...?
Ingram has excellent to elite vision/patience. Ingram also has above average balance. Ridley does nothing particularly well. Also, multiple scouts had Ingram running in the mid to high 4.4s for his pro day.
Posted on 4/2/11 at 10:10 am to Ninja Looter
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Wow, he had one 100 yard game out of five versus top 25 rush defenses. How unimpressive.
Right. But what you said was that Ridley did all his damage against nobodies while Ingram beat up good defenses (which was wrong).
Ingram had 9 100 yard games. 7 of them came on run d's outside of the top 40.
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Also, multiple scouts had Ingram running in the mid to high 4.4s for his pro day.
His official time was a 4.62, .04 faster than Ridley's official 4.66.
ETA: Anyway, I'm going ot bow out of this because it's just going to morph into me pumping up Ridley and dragging down Ingram, when really I think they are about the same player. I don't think either will be a tremendous back in the NFL.
This post was edited on 4/2/11 at 10:11 am
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