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re: NFL "Late Round" Rookie Salary Differences: 2008 to 2013
Posted on 1/4/14 at 1:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 1/4/14 at 1:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
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but this still begs the question of when this changed and why, because we didn't see this even 3 years ago, really
Hmmm... is Miles down to pushing the 3 and done angle to get kids to come to LSU?
If he is then he really has no credibility in the mind of the player when he asks them to stay for a 4th year.
My only guess.
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Posted on 1/4/14 at 1:14 pm to Slinger16
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Hmmm... is Miles down to pushing the 3 and done angle to get kids to come to LSU? If he is then he really has no credibility in the mind of the player when he asks them to stay for a 4th year.
Wat
Posted on 1/4/14 at 1:16 pm to lynxcat
i don't disagree, but i'm just saying that has nothing to do with the new CBA (as the myth states)
i think there are a few reasons
1. 1/9/12 and all the drama from that night (i also think this spills over into Nola recruiting). we will probably never see the kind of defection of 2013 again
2. players accepting that entering the draft is a much more rational decision than transferring to a small school for 1 year
3. i think LSU is being sold/promoted as a "3 year stop" to recruits more than other schools. this is the complete 180 from what miles was praised for when he first got here, but c'est la vie
i think there are a few reasons
1. 1/9/12 and all the drama from that night (i also think this spills over into Nola recruiting). we will probably never see the kind of defection of 2013 again
2. players accepting that entering the draft is a much more rational decision than transferring to a small school for 1 year
3. i think LSU is being sold/promoted as a "3 year stop" to recruits more than other schools. this is the complete 180 from what miles was praised for when he first got here, but c'est la vie
Posted on 1/4/14 at 1:17 pm to lynxcat
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The chances a 6th rounder can actually become a 2nd rounder are quite slim.
I was just refuting the claim that the difference in that type of money is marginal, it more than 2x the money, and its guaranteed.
But now that you mention it, you think a player that can not improve 100-150 spots in the draft over the course of a year has any shot at cutting it in the NFL?
Posted on 1/4/14 at 1:19 pm to OceanMan
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you think a player that can not improve 100-150 spots in the draft over the course of a year has any shot at cutting it in the NFL?
these are 2 different things entirely
Posted on 1/4/14 at 1:20 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:I just don't get how that would work functionally? I mean, would these recruits be somehow unaware that they could make ANY school a "3 year stop"? What exactly would make that a selling point to get recruits? It aint like other schools can prevent their kids from leaving.
3. i think LSU is being sold/promoted as a "3 year stop" to recruits more than other schools
Posted on 1/4/14 at 1:22 pm to SettleDown
for a hypothetical difference, other schools sell the school, while LSU sells preparing them for the NFL in 3 years
Posted on 1/4/14 at 1:22 pm to OceanMan
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But now that you mention it, you think a player that can not improve 100-150 spots in the draft over the course of a year has any shot at cutting it in the NFL?
Yes. Special teams being the easiest place.
Posted on 1/4/14 at 1:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
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1/9/12 and all the drama from that night (i also think this spills over into Nola recruiting). we will probably never see the kind of defection of 2013 again
Why would it take a year for this effect to manifest itself?
Three players entered early in '12...Claiborne (#5) Brockers (#14), Randle (#63).
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but this still begs the question of when this changed and why, because we didn't see this even 3 years ago, really
You don't find it odd that your statement coincides with the new CBA?
Posted on 1/4/14 at 1:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
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these are 2 different things entirely
ok then tell me why.
I would say with that many spots, you are probably moving from 7-10th best at your position to top 1-3. There are so many factors that play into from year to year, it can't really be predicted, but if you can manage to move up, you are valued by the franchise that drafted you much more than if you were lower on their board to begin with.
Posted on 1/4/14 at 1:29 pm to Sal Minella
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Why would it take a year for this effect to manifest itself?
some guys couldn't leave just yet
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You don't find it odd that your statement coincides with the new CBA?
i could have said 5...PP7 was the first major guy to leave early since jamarcus (who left when mlies was celebrated for his ability to keep guys). once PP7 left, the floodgates opened
Posted on 1/4/14 at 1:30 pm to lynxcat
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Yes. Special teams being the easiest place.
I can really see Trai Turner downing punts at the one.
Posted on 1/4/14 at 1:30 pm to OceanMan
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ok then tell me why.
at that point in teh NFL draft it's mostly about physical ability. that's why trev faulk wasn't going to improve at LSU (same with turner, hilliard, etc)
once you get to the NFL, your preparation/effort/study can turn you into a different level of player.
Posted on 1/4/14 at 1:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:I'm sorry. I've heard the typical SEC football player speak. I aint buying the above. You really arguing the other schools aren't selling themselves as a potential avenue to the NFL? I mean, Vandy probably sells the school. Bama.....AU, LSU, etc? Not so much. Not that it might not be a decent selling point but 4-5 star athletes want to know how to get to the NFL.
for a hypothetical difference, other schools sell the school, while LSU sells preparing them for the NFL in 3 years
Posted on 1/4/14 at 1:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
Slow, in your opinion was getting LF more important than Brown, Willis, and Noil combined?
How would you respond,
How would you respond,
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There is no question that LF is a more important recruit than Noil, Willis, and Brown combined. To say otherwise is just dumb.
Posted on 1/4/14 at 1:33 pm to tduecen
for 2014? yes
long-term? no
no single RB will ever make or break LSU
long-term? no
no single RB will ever make or break LSU
Posted on 1/4/14 at 1:33 pm to SettleDown
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I'm sorry. I've heard the typical SEC football player speak. I aint buying the above. You really arguing the other schools aren't selling themselves as a potential avenue to the NFL? I mean, Vandy probably sells the school.
i'm not talking academics
i guess i should have said "football program" instead of "school"
Bama sells titles and domination. LSU sells putting you in the pros in 3 years. see the difference?
Posted on 1/4/14 at 1:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Bama sells titles and domination. LSU sells putting you in the pros in 3 years. see the difference?
I see a difference but I have no idea how that would actually work in practice. If a kid has the kind of ability that can get him to the NFL, he's also the type who likes winning. And, flipped. A kid who thinks he's good enough to help a team win titles and is interested in the NFL hardly looks at Bama and thinks, "I can't do it there, I'll go to LSU where they're talking up the 3 year deal".
This makes no sense to me in actual practice as being a very effective tool. Now hey. I've got my issues with Miles. But, this one I just aint buying because I have no idea how on earth it would really even work.
I can't think of any potential NFL kid would be obtuse enough to think, "I need to go to LSU because I can go to the NFL faster".
Posted on 1/4/14 at 1:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
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at that point in teh NFL draft it's mostly about physical ability.
It can also be about filling needs. If the same organization wants to draft 2 players at your position, it is in your best interest to be as high on their board as possible, because that in and of itself could be the difference between being selected in round 2 vs round 5.
Don't try and tell me rounds 5-7 is just teams picking the most physically gifted and seeing how they turn out.
Posted on 1/4/14 at 1:39 pm to SettleDown
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If a kid has the kind of ability that can get him to the NFL, he's also the type who likes winning.
your assumption here is pretty wrong
great talent doesn't always care about winning. this isn't pointed at any specific player, LSU or otherwise, but sports history is littered with examples of guys who work to improve themselves and their play and could give a shite about "team"
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