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re: Next step for LSU Basketball.....
Posted on 12/24/16 at 12:00 pm to Venturetiger
Posted on 12/24/16 at 12:00 pm to Venturetiger
These threads are getting so old. Jones is not getting fired this year. He is alumni, recruits decently, has never had a losing season and has not had any off the court drama. He had one season where he fell short of expectations and even then, I can hardly blame him for that.
At present, he has 2 top 100ish signings for next year, with another spot open. The current team is very young and we will not lose anything going into next year. This team can grow over this season, develop some chemistry and be a nice border line tournament team. Next year will be the year Jones needs to make a leap. I hope that he will..
At present, he has 2 top 100ish signings for next year, with another spot open. The current team is very young and we will not lose anything going into next year. This team can grow over this season, develop some chemistry and be a nice border line tournament team. Next year will be the year Jones needs to make a leap. I hope that he will..
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Posted on 12/24/16 at 12:20 pm to cheeser
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cheeser
That might me the dumbest, most pathetic thing I've ever read on here. Congrats, I guess...
Posted on 12/24/16 at 12:21 pm to brmark70816
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He had one season where he fell short of expectations and even then, I can hardly blame him for that.
hmmm....I think an argument, and a good and reasonable one could be made here.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 12:25 pm to brmark70816
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we will not lose anything going into next year
Blakeney doesn't count as "something?"
I'd be shocked if he subjects himself to another year of JJ's underachievement. It's not like he's being coached up and improving his draft stock.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 12:34 pm to Number 31
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Blakeney doesn't count as "something?" I'd be shocked if he subjects himself to another year of JJ's underachievement. It's not like he's being coached up and improving his draft stock.
I do not think he will leave. This draft is loaded with fantastic combo guards and he will be lucky to be a 2nd rounder. He needs to improve his game and I think he can/will. He is becoming a leader and his skills are getting better. I said before the season that I thought Blakeney and Victor would be all conference players. But they aren't quite there yet. They still need more time, which isn't that big of a deal. I believe they both still have that type of potential and drive. I will understand if he does leave, but I really don't think he is ready yet..
Posted on 12/24/16 at 12:39 pm to Awlunz Tiger
Hire a young coach from a small school that would consider LSU a dream job or huge step up.
Examples: Shocka Smart from VCU to Texas or Steve Prohm from Murray State to Iowa State.
Examples: Shocka Smart from VCU to Texas or Steve Prohm from Murray State to Iowa State.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 12:54 pm to brmark70816
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This team can grow over this season, develop some chemistry and be a nice border line tournament team. Next year will be the year Jones needs to make a leap. I hope that he will..
Man, I would love to believe this brmark....I really would.
Because I do like Johnny personally, hell everyone does, that's how he got this gig.
But I think the longer we perpetuate this notion, the longer we remain in this hopeless cycle the program has been in for over 20 years.
No guarantee the next guy won't perpetuate it too (especially considering the process and people in place to make future hires), but IMHO CJJ will almost certainly perpetuate this cycle. I've seen more than enough to convince me of this.
I'd love to be wrong on this.....
Posted on 12/24/16 at 1:01 pm to mtheob17
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Examples: Shocka Smart from VCU to Texas or Steve Prohm from Murray State to Iowa State.
I think Prohm would be an excellent hire. He was an asst at three Louisiana schools over a 7 year period before moving to Murray St with Billy Kennedy. His top recruiter at both ISU and MSU is a guy from central Mississippi. They already try to recruit this area at ISU.
He's 42 and a SEC grad (Bama). Seems like he would be a great "fit" that could very well be intrigued by the LSU job
Posted on 12/24/16 at 1:04 pm to Tiger Ugly
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I'd love to be wrong on this.....
I hope you are too. I like this team and really have high hopes for it. I think there is something to be said for building through legacies, local players and finding gems. But we have to let them grow and develop. This team has barely any upperclassmen or player leadership. It takes time and patience, plus some arse kickings to develop character. We just saw a team in Villanova that was built that way. No top 20 prospects, just program kids that got better over time and became great team players. That's what I want.
Maybe Jones will never get there. But unless we just fall apart in conference play and go way under .500. I just don't see the motivation for the administration to make a change. Especially when we will have so much coming back next season. I just don't see that happening..
Posted on 12/24/16 at 1:15 pm to brmark70816
brmark-The problem with this team is it plays with ZERO effort or urgency, it doesn't take talent to hustle, it lacks FUNDAMENTALS, and no matter how you slice it that is a reflection on Johnny Jones. For 5 years, his teams here lacks discipline, fundamentals, and hustle on the defensive side. So comparing them to the Villanova team is an insult to Villanova.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 1:31 pm to TeamLSU
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brmark-The problem with this team is it plays with ZERO effort or urgency, it doesn't take talent to hustle, it lacks FUNDAMENTALS, and no matter how you slice it that is a reflection on Johnny Jones. For 5 years, his teams here lacks discipline, fundamentals, and hustle on the defensive side. So comparing them to the Villanova team is an insult to Villanova.
I didn't compare the teams. I compared the process of team building and said that we should copy/emulate Villanova. I believe that they do it the right way. As far as the team goes, motivation is tied to coaching, no doubt. I do think that is something that can be corrected though. Mainly through team culture, but that relies on the players more than the coach. They have to step up, which can happen as they get older. I just still believe the situation is repairable and can get better..
Posted on 12/24/16 at 1:55 pm to brmark70816
5 years isn't long enough for you to CORRECT the problem. The TEAM CULTURE as you point out is set by the HEAD COACH. The effort this team puts forth on the court would not be tolerated by ANY decent coach. Therefore, the tone, culture, attitude of this team is a direct reflection on Jones.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 2:12 pm to TeamLSU
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Next step for LSU Basketball..... by TeamLSU5 years isn't long enough for you to CORRECT the problem. The TEAM CULTURE as you point out is set by the HEAD COACH.
That is just silly. The whole team is made up of guys in their 1st or 2nd year with the team. I could not even tell you who the team captain or leaders are (Patterson?). There has to be leadership amongst the players. That is developed over time and experience. The coach has to have time to teach..
Posted on 12/24/16 at 2:25 pm to brmark70816
So by your logic there should be NO EXPECTATIONS on the players part to hustle, or box out or for that matter get in a proper DEFENSIVE STANCE. These players has been playing the game all their lives, and I would be willing to bet that their High School coach DEMANDED or EXPECTED them to play and HUSTLE on the defensive end.
You don't need a LEADER to hustle, or play with a sense of urgency. It's called PRIDE. Something that is not instilled in the players once they step foot on the basketball court at LSU under Jones. That's the CULTURE Jones have had since his arrival.
You don't need a LEADER to hustle, or play with a sense of urgency. It's called PRIDE. Something that is not instilled in the players once they step foot on the basketball court at LSU under Jones. That's the CULTURE Jones have had since his arrival.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 2:37 pm to TeamLSU
I see these lapses throughout the sport, even amongst the best teams. It is a part of the sport now. The truly special coaches have found ways to cope or work around it. But it's a systematic problem. No team is going to be 100% committed at all times. There are going to be surges and droughts. If you think a coach is going to change all that, then you are going to remain a very frustrated observer.
Maybe not, but it makes a huge difference. At the end of the day, the results largely rests in the players hands. I'm not totally blaming the players. Just saying that they will get better and some will step forward to lead. When they start taking more responsibility, the PRIDE will come. It just hasn't come yet..
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You don't need a LEADER to hustle, or play with a sense of urgency.
Maybe not, but it makes a huge difference. At the end of the day, the results largely rests in the players hands. I'm not totally blaming the players. Just saying that they will get better and some will step forward to lead. When they start taking more responsibility, the PRIDE will come. It just hasn't come yet..
Posted on 12/24/16 at 3:33 pm to brmark70816
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It takes time and patience, plus some arse kickings to develop character. We just saw a team in Villanova that was built that way.
I extended my benefit of the doubt up until the implosion I saw last year brmark. That was very disappointing and IMHO revealing.
And we still have a lot of player on this team that saw that happen first hand. I really believe it's gonna be hard for him to win back the respect he needs, if he ever really had it to begin with.
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I just don't see the motivation for the administration to make a change. Especially when we will have so much coming back next season. I just don't see that happening..
I tend to agree with you here. Right or wrong, if he finishes the year 10th in the conference, which he'd really have to screw up worse than last year IMHO not to do so, the party line will be we were picked 12th so we exceeded expectations. Everything is o.k.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 3:40 pm to IndianInBR
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