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New WR Coach is Needed!

Posted on 1/3/19 at 9:58 am
Posted by LSUgrad1998
Member since Aug 2018
775 posts
Posted on 1/3/19 at 9:58 am
We had both top national WR signees Jamarr Chase and Terrance Marshall this season, and they didn't have much production. LSU even hired a fmr NFL receiver coach in Sullivan to asst Mickey Joseph in his WR coaching duties. I know he was hired primarily for his strong ties to the New Orleans area for recruiting purposes, but these two receivers should have had much better seasons.
Posted by FightinTiga
Pumpkin Center
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 1/3/19 at 9:59 am to
He comin
Posted by Ltown_tiger
Livonia
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Posted on 1/3/19 at 10:00 am to
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Posted by ipodking
#StopTalkingAboutWomensSports
Member since Jun 2008
56301 posts
Posted on 1/3/19 at 10:00 am to
Just the freshmen should have had better seasons and not the upper classmen?
This post was edited on 1/3/19 at 10:01 am
Posted by The First Cut
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 1/3/19 at 10:02 am to
Posted by LSUgrad1998
Member since Aug 2018
775 posts
Posted on 1/3/19 at 10:07 am to
quote:

Just the freshmen should have had better seasons and not the upper classmen?


That too is another reason. These two FR should have been making DB's look foolish. Plus Stephen Sullivan at 6-5 should have been a beast across the middle much like M Thomas with the Saints. Why wasn't Marshall and Chase stretching the field and Sullivan running routes after they cleared out the safeties?
Posted by justice
Member since Feb 2006
54570 posts
Posted on 1/3/19 at 10:09 am to
I think that’s coming. The rotations were abysmal and the drops were god awful.
Posted by Mudminnow
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2004
34146 posts
Posted on 1/3/19 at 10:10 am to
quote:

Why wasn't Marshall and Chase stretching the field and Sullivan running routes after they cleared out the safeties?


Thats offensive scheme, please address Coach E with your issues.
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
68330 posts
Posted on 1/3/19 at 10:13 am to
Sullivan is being replaced for sure
Posted by LSUgrad1998
Member since Aug 2018
775 posts
Posted on 1/3/19 at 10:16 am to
quote:

Thats offensive scheme, please address Coach E with your issues.


Partly true. Its the WR coach that teaches proper route running on the plays. The OC can't design plays around these WR's if they aren't ready to take the field. Again why did Coach O have to hire Sullivan to help teach the WR's to run routes when he already had a WR coach to do just that.
Posted by geauxtigers33
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2014
13734 posts
Posted on 1/3/19 at 10:18 am to
It took Odell and Jarvis until half way through their sophomore years before they truly became great wide receivers.

Chase and Marshall will breakout next year with a full spring and summer working with a Burrow.
Posted by TrouserTrout
Member since Nov 2017
6425 posts
Posted on 1/3/19 at 10:22 am to
I can’t believe LSU hasn’t filled their coaching and recruiting with guys from the rant. They seem to have all the answers.
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 1/3/19 at 10:23 am to
quote:

LSUgrad1998
quote:

We had both top national WR signees Jamarr Chase and Terrance Marshall this season, and they didn't have much production. LSU even hired a fmr NFL receiver coach in Sullivan to asst Mickey Joseph in his WR coaching duties. I know he was hired primarily for his strong ties to the New Orleans area for recruiting purposes, but these two receivers should have had much better seasons.


Your problem wasn't Sullivan. It was the system. Ensminger used option route concepts for his primary reads in his offense. Heavily.

That means that even if you're a ridiculously talented kid-which Chase & Marshall are-if you can't figure out the coverage and not on the same page with the read as the QB, you're going to throw incompletions at best. Or you're going to throw it to the other team (a lot) at worst.

The talent is there for both of these kids. The scheme was too complicated to allow their talent and athleticism to break through. Chase obviously put it together during the Bowl Practices.

Their lack of production was an issue with Ensminger not running a system that allowed for younger kids to get primary reads. Very few young receivers are going to hit campus with advanced ability to read coverages. You don't redshirt them. You find plays they can run, teach them and then call their number a few times a game.

Unfortunately, this post proves you lack understanding of the game you're watching. Post less or Learn more.
Posted by Nissanmaxima
Member since Feb 2006
14928 posts
Posted on 1/3/19 at 10:23 am to
News flash here. You can't teach what God has given you between the ears! I don't care what type of coach you are!
Posted by LSUgrad1998
Member since Aug 2018
775 posts
Posted on 1/3/19 at 10:24 am to
quote:

It took Odell and Jarvis until half way through their sophomore years before they truly became great wide receivers.


The freshman stats of Julio Jones (924 yds) and Amari Cooper (1,000 yds) at Bama.
Posted by deaux
Member since Oct 2018
20267 posts
Posted on 1/3/19 at 10:25 am to
Is Tee Martin still unemployed?
Posted by LSUgrad1998
Member since Aug 2018
775 posts
Posted on 1/3/19 at 10:28 am to
So LSU should dumb down the playbook? Look at Fr stats of Julio Jones and Amari Cooper at Bama. They run a pro style offense, and have even changed several OC's. Stop making excuses for lack of production from top tier talent. Our young DB's contributed. Looks Like Corey Raymond teaches his position very well.
Posted by MIKEDATIGER
AUSTIN
Member since Oct 2007
2128 posts
Posted on 1/3/19 at 10:28 am to
quote:

I can’t believe LSU hasn’t filled their coaching and recruiting with guys from the rant. They seem to have all the answers.


Just let me know and I can be there in a minute !
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 1/3/19 at 10:37 am to
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LSUgrad1998
quote:

So LSU should dumb down the playbook?


For 18 year olds that have overwhelming physical talent and skill but are still developing an undertanding of the nuances of coverages and the playbook?

Yes. Unless of course you'd like to make the foolhardy assumption that 18 year old QB's should be able to hit campus and immediately understand and audible out based on a pre-snap zero safety look while then adjusting post-snap based on a baling LB to play CF in coverage to make the right call despite the disguised look.

Of course we don't ask 18 year olds to do that at QB. But if you're 18 at WR and can't understand coverages and option routes based on it, then you can't play either. Which is asinine.

You don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Option routes are great schematically. But the over-reliance on them was a retarding element in terms of truly using our young skill kids to their fullest capabilities. One that we didn't have to rely on as much as we did.

If you'd truly like to double-down on your stupidity then go ahead. Sullivan wasn't the problem. We had to have kids who lacked skill but understood route concepts play receiver in Ensminger's overly complicated offense from a conceptual standpoint. Period.

That's why you saw kids who dropped the ball a lot. That's why you saw Jefferson as the best combination of talent and route concept knowledge as the #1 threat throughout the year, though he's probably 4th or 5th in terms of physical ability.

You're dumb. Stop posting.
This post was edited on 1/3/19 at 10:39 am
Posted by arcalades
USA
Member since Feb 2014
19276 posts
Posted on 1/3/19 at 10:53 am to
quote:

Our young DB's contributed. Looks Like Corey Raymond teaches his position very well.
very poor comparison. our fr wrs "contributed", did they not? There's a lot more to being a wr than cb.
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