re: Never really appreciated Les Miles' recruitment of Olinemen until now

He’s done

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As mentioned, Miles' OL recruiting was dropping off towards the end. But even at their worst, Miles' OL never looked as bad as last night.

At least those groups could run the ball most of the time, if nothing else.

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This sort of reminds me of what the ranked Nebraska teams were doing back in the mid 80's and what they're unable to do now.

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. Only about 20% of Les’ starting oline made it to the NFL - That’s terrible!

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Meaningless made up statistic.

What percentage of each position make it to the NFL?

In general what percentage of college players in general make it to the NFL?

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. Only about 20% of Les’ starting oline made it to the NFL - That’s terrible!


Meaningless made up statistic.

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During most of his tenure, Miles teams could run against Alabama despite Saban knowing it was going to be a run. That is astounding when you look back on it now.

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This OL is historically bad and, if I had to bet, next year's is going to be worse.

That's gonna end up affecting recruiting which isn't good given that our RB situation is utter shite and you really would like to land another good QB each year.

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Ed really needs to be given an ultimatum now, not after the early signing period.

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Ed really needs to be given an ultimatum now, not after the early signing period.

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Here's the thing.

I think he's broken LSU to the point that the first realistic success on the horizon would be 2023. Even if Ed woke up with Nick Saban's brain tomorrow, he'd be looking at a rough year next year.

The dude has no OL, no real RBs and, his QB situation is "decent". We still seem OK at WR but, even that's gonna thin fast if recruits bail after this year

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miles o line fell off the last few years. he would put guards at tackle.

however that line we saw last night was the worst i have seen since hallman

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Miles last 2 recruiting classes for OL did not pan out, other than Cush who as a stud. Started all 16 games as rookie last year for Denver. He was in that 2016 class that had Allen from Curtis, Campbell from Ponchatoula and Savage from Alabama. The 2015 class they signed 5 and none of those panned out, although Teuhema a 5 star at times showed flashes but his brother got in trouble I think and they both left LSU. Adrian Magee was in that class and was a solid player for LSU, the other 4 Okeke, George Brown and Weathersby did not pann out.

All 9 were solid recruits. When O took over for Miles in 2016, the OL had Pocic, Clapp, Garett Brumfield from Miles recruiting clases, Pocic, Clapp were both Drafted by the NFL. Cush, was also a Miles signee, an NFL draft pick. Coach O if you count the 2017 class as his, and look to the 2019 class, those 3 classes were all NFL draft eligible for the 2020 class. Only 1 so far has been drafted in NFL, D. Lewis signed as JUCO in 2018, started all 16 games as rookie for Seahawks last year.

Dare was in the 2018 class but he is at UK, I think he gets drafted. Ed Ingram in 2018 class, Maybe? Other than that, anyone else that Coach O has signed from the 2017 to 2020 classes look like NFL talent?

I don't see many.

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LSU's Oline under Orgeron has steadily dropped, while the Dline improved.

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I think you are correct, DL recruiting is perhaps the one area he has expertise in. So he knows how to evaluate that position as good as anyone. But other positions?

The top college coaches historically set up their evaluations on all players at all positions and then have their staff recruit to that criteria. Bill Parcells in the NFL was that way, he had a set of height/weights for each position, what their speed, agility was like an that was the standard. You draft guys within a set defined criteria for each position (high rounds). A guy with attitude, you drop down even if he met the standard. A guy who played well on tape, if they were not in the standard you would take but only in the last few rounds.

I think Saban, who learned it from Bill Belichick, who learned it from Parcells, recruits the same way (Kirby does that at UGA) and it seems Mel Tucker is doing that at Michigan State listening to the ESPU guys this morning on the radio coming home from Church (he learned it from Saban as well).

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At wide receiver, he gets an A+. But an offense can't do anything without an O-Line.

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No, you are correct 100%, that position he has recruited well. So one assumes he trusts Mickey Joseph on the evals but also I think it is fair to Say that LSU is blessed to have LA HS football produce so many elite HS WR's so that is one area that local talent is plentiful and evals for WR I think are easier.

OL are hard to project to next level. Usually those guys can beat up 95% of the competition on physicality alone. Very seldom to you get to see in LA HS ball an OL who is a legit SEC recruit going up against a DL that is also an SEC or say Power 5 league recruit as well.

That is where to me an HC who is not an expert at the position they played can evaluate all positions equally vs. an HC that can evaluate the position they played and coached only, or a few other positions.

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He could have signed more 4 and 3-star Olinemmen but refused to. Fla does and hits on many of them

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You mean like having a “plan B”? That’s way too complicated. lol