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re: Never ending thread arguing about Coach O
Posted on 5/12/19 at 3:43 pm to Goldrush25
Posted on 5/12/19 at 3:43 pm to Goldrush25
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You guys need to get on the same page.
It's quite telling that you can't understand that people are capable of opinions that differ, though they may disagree on some things
The hive sees everything in black and white. Life don't work that way, Chief
This post was edited on 5/12/19 at 3:45 pm
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Posted on 5/12/19 at 3:45 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
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sn't bias at all. There is absolutely no evidence to support Ed Orgeron has an ability to make staff and logistical changes from year to year resulting in overall improvement of the program. There just isn't. In fact, there has been the opposite. That's why no one believes changes made by this staff will make a difference.
You going back to his OM days for the facts? Really
Posted on 5/12/19 at 3:45 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
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It isn't bias at all.
Oh my
Posted on 5/12/19 at 3:47 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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It's quite telling that you can't understand that people are capable of opinions that differ, though they may disagree on some things
The hive sees everything in black and white. Life don't work that way, Chief
Wow, try saying this to yourself a few times.
Classic.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 3:47 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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That's not "on the fence"
Am I wrong? If so, I apologize. Damn that feels good admitting when you make a mistake. Try it sometime Roger. You might really like it.
Let me rephrase that Roger. I'm on the fence whether or not o can win more than 10 games a year.
Is that better?
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I disagree.
Good for you. That's your right.
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We were one 19 yards desperation pass play away(there were two on the drive) from 11 wins last year
We can play that game all day long and use any season you care to use to make those same kind of claims.
If Clemson doesn't complete a fourth and long late in the 2012 bowl game, we finish with 11 wins.
If we don't muff a punt against Georgia in 2013, we don't lose that game. If Mett doesn't throw 3 interceptions against Ole Miss deep in their territory in 2013, we don't lose that game. We win those two games, we finish the year 12-1.
I could go on and on with that kind of crap.
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Is 10 wins just arbitrary?
No, That's the most wins o's ever had in one season. If or when he wins 11 or more games in a season, I'll change my mind on what I believe his ceiling is
If or when Roger. If or when..
Posted on 5/12/19 at 3:47 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
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Outside of Chaisson and losing Devin White, this is basically the same core of players from last year.
You worried about the defense, really?
id understand more if you focused that on the offensive line. but the defense?
Phillips
Chaisson
Fulton
Queen
Logan
Todd Harris
Divinity
Stevens
Kelvin joseph
probably forgetting one or 2 but all these guys were first year starters last year.
You throw in Stingly and guys like Cherry, Nelson Jenkins, Ika, Marcel Brooks, Baskerville and you are looking at a deep and stingy group, which room to improve from last year
Posted on 5/12/19 at 3:47 pm to Topwater Trout
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You going back to his OM days for the facts?
While totally ignoring one of the more experienced teams in college football for next year.
"Hey, ill cherrypick info to prove my point and disregard anything to the contrary, but that's not bias!"
Posted on 5/12/19 at 3:49 pm to Topwater Trout
I could, but no. I can point to the Canada debacle, the Ensminger debacle, the lack of improvement despite the shuffling of coaches and responsibilities.
Only a true Orgeron sycophant believes that Ed Orgeron has shown an ability in his time here to make executive changes resulting in positive change.
Only a true Orgeron sycophant believes that Ed Orgeron has shown an ability in his time here to make executive changes resulting in positive change.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 3:50 pm to earl keese
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If Clemson doesn't complete a fourth and long late in the 2012 bowl game, we finish with 11 wins.
Totally agree
Btw: that's when the fanbase lost confidence in Chavis
So yes, we have everything in place to improve on 10-3.
This post was edited on 5/12/19 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 5/12/19 at 3:51 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
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Only a true Orgeron sycophant believes that Ed Orgeron has shown an ability in his time here to make executive changes resulting in positive change.
So, if the offense improves this year, you'll gladly admit you're wrong?
Posted on 5/12/19 at 3:52 pm to Topwater Trout
He’s been a non-interim head coach for 5 years with the majority of those years occurring at Ole Miss. Why should people ignore the majority of his head coaching career when assessing his head coaching tendencies? Well, aside from the fact that those years were just plain terrible.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 3:52 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
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There is absolutely no evidence to support Ed Orgeron has an ability to make staff and logistical changes from year to year resulting in overall improvement of the program
There doesn't have to be. Either the hire is a good hire or it's not. If it's not the person can go on down the road. For you to make it like it's some big achievement or not to hire somebody is hilarious. The turnover for coaches is extremely high in college.
Hang your hat on that if it confirms your bias. It's hilarious really.
You mentioned play having to improve, can you tell us where it has to improve?
Posted on 5/12/19 at 3:53 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Define improvement. This is a weak attempt on your part for a fricking gotcha later if the offense has 20 more yards a game.
Way to go, offense.
Way to go, offense.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 3:55 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I’ve never said I was impressed with 9-4.
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No one has. Another hive mind fantasy.
As much as you think of yourself, I would have thought you would remember all those posts in late 2017 and early 2018 gushing all over that 9 win season.
You should have paid more attention Roger. If you had, you wouldn't be making idiotic statements like "no one has."
Of course, it's like I've been saying for a number of months now. You only see what you want to see.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 3:55 pm to Damone
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He’s been a non-interim head coach for 5 years with the majority of those years occurring at Ole Miss. Why should people ignore the majority of his head coaching career when assessing his head coaching tendencies? Well, aside from the fact that those years were just plain terrible.
Because it’s comparing apples to oranges. Do you really believe OM provides the same opportunities to be successful as a HC than LSU does?
Posted on 5/12/19 at 3:55 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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RogerTheShrubber
Calls anyone with a different opinion than his rickdaddy.
Turns around and posts this:
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It's quite telling that you can't understand that people are capable of opinions that differ, though they may disagree on some things
The hive sees everything in black and white. Life don't work that way, Chief
You’re such a joke Roger.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 3:56 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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So, if the offense improves this year, you'll gladly admit you're wrong?
What kind of improvement are we talking here?
If we got from 70th to 50th that's something to be proud of?
Posted on 5/12/19 at 3:57 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
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Define improvement. This is a weak attempt on your part for a fricking gotcha later if the offense has 20 more yards a game.
Lookey here, trying to crawfish already...
3,000 passing, 25+ TDs, 2600+ yards rushing, 33+ points a game.
Whatcha say?
Posted on 5/12/19 at 3:57 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
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Define improvement. This is a weak attempt on your part for a fricking gotcha later if the offense has 20 more yards a game.
Way to go, offense
You're the one that mentioned play having to improve. Maybe you should define it since a simple improvement doesn't seem good enough for you, even though you claimed that O wouldn't be able to improve.
Posted on 5/12/19 at 3:57 pm to Topwater Trout
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Because it’s comparing apples to oranges. Do you really believe OM provides the same opportunities to be successful as a HC than LSU does?
Almost every coach that came before and after him at OM had more success than he did.
This is what pisses people off. Quit the excuse making.
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