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re: More impressive: Miles in '07 or Saban in '03?

Posted on 7/20/10 at 2:19 pm to
Posted by mhasen1
Texas
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 7/20/10 at 2:19 pm to
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Mauck on offense was very effective at keeping the D off the field.


So was Andrew Hatch.

Losing Hatch doesn't excuse Miles for '08. And losing Mauck shouldn't excuse the disaster '02 turned into.
Posted by MetArl15
Washington, DC
Member since Apr 2007
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Posted on 7/20/10 at 2:22 pm to
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Miles '06
I'm still bitter we didn't win the NC in 2006. No excuse losing to AU and UF. Should have beaten at least one of them.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
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Posted on 7/20/10 at 2:26 pm to
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I'm still bitter we didn't win the NC in 2006. No excuse losing to AU and UF. Should have beaten at least one of them.


Losing to AU and FL in 2006 is much more forgivable than losing to Kentucky or Arkansas in 2007.
Posted by geauxtigers2
Lawrence, Kansas
Member since Jul 2007
4822 posts
Posted on 7/20/10 at 2:29 pm to
I don't know how you can say that bashing a National Title for luck is stupid. We are the only team EVER to play in the BCS championship game with 2 losses. I don't care if ND lost and helped us make the NC in 03, we had 1 loss. Pretty sure we can bash 07' on luck all we want. Fortunately we can thank teams like Missouri, WVU, Oregon, and even Kansas for fricking up their ticket to the NC and handed us the crystal ball.
This post was edited on 7/20/10 at 2:32 pm
Posted by Antonio Moss
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Posted on 7/20/10 at 2:33 pm to
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I don't know how you can say that bashing a National Title for luck is stupid. We are the only team EVER to play in the BCS championship game with 2 losses. I don't care if ND lost and helped us make the NC in 03, we had 1 loss. Pretty sure we can bash 07' on luck all we want. Fortunately we can thank teams like Missouri, WVU, Oregon, and even Kansas for fricking up their ticket to the NC


There is a huge difference between three 1-loss teams depending on the outcome of mediocre game to determine who goes to the NC game and a 2-loss team is on the complete outside looking in until a team that controls its own destiny gets upset in the last game of the season.
Posted by TGFN57
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Posted on 7/20/10 at 2:35 pm to
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STFU!!!!!!!!


OK kid, since your daddy apparently doesn't care that you play with his computer you will just have to join the do not respond-stupid kid category.
Posted by dukke v
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Posted on 7/20/10 at 2:38 pm to
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OK kid, since your daddy apparently doesn't care that you play with his computer you will just have to join the do not respond-stupid kid category.



REALLY??????? You are one dumbfrick. Not worried though ALTER!!!
Posted by Acreboy
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 7/20/10 at 2:40 pm to
Saban easily.
Posted by Will2nd
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 7/20/10 at 2:42 pm to
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I still kind of feel like a Bama fan claiming a championship that wasnt 100% earned, just won by default


We did play in the National Championship game and won it convincingly, correct? We did actually play another opponent, correct? We could have lost the NC by losing to the opponent correct? What is 100% earned. Playing every game all out and losing in OT garnered the respect of the pollsters versus going out and losing by 10 or 15 points like some other teams have done. It was hard fought and earned.

That's why you play your ENTIRE schedule, then the computer takes strength of schedule, your records and provides the results of the most deserving teams. Let's not forget the human element (the Coach's Poll and AP Poll).

In fact, there was more dispute about who should have been in the NC game in '03 than '07. That's why the AP voted USC National Champions. In '07, we shared it with no one.
This post was edited on 7/20/10 at 2:55 pm
Posted by MetArl15
Washington, DC
Member since Apr 2007
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Posted on 7/20/10 at 2:43 pm to
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Losing to AU and FL in 2006 is much more forgivable than losing to Kentucky or Arkansas in 2007.
I would agree, but I think the '06 team was the most talented team in the country and despite the horrid schedule, should not have lost more than 1 game. I can't criticize losing one game, but more than one that seasons feels like a lost opportunity.

Re the '03 vs '07 argument...In '07, we never dominated anyone after MTSU until the NCG. In '03, after the almost inexplicable UF loss, we were essentially unbeatable. We beat OU worse than the score and would have only had a possible issue with USC that year. The best team we played that year may have been Ole Miss. No one in the country besides LSU or USC beats Ole Miss at their place at that point in the season.
Posted by geauxtigers2
Lawrence, Kansas
Member since Jul 2007
4822 posts
Posted on 7/20/10 at 2:54 pm to
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There is a huge difference between three 1-loss teams depending on the outcome of mediocre game to determine who goes to the NC game and a 2-loss team is on the complete outside looking in until a team that controls its own destiny gets upset in the last game of the season.

No shite, this statement does nothing but aid to my argument. A 5-7 Notre Dame team lost to a 6-6 Syracuse team, its not like they were suppose to win. This game is a coin flip. Plus I still think we get in even if ND does win this game. In 07' we had to rely on 3 far superior teams to piss away their chances at the National Championship. I will excuse Missouri since they had to play OU in the Big 12 championship, but this just proves how we lucked/backed into a National Championship. Im not hating on a NC or complaining I just find 03' to be way more impressive then the championship in 07.
Posted by Choctaw
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Posted on 7/20/10 at 3:12 pm to
I hate all you mother frickers.....just wanna throw that out there.
Posted by RANDY44
Member since Aug 2005
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Posted on 7/20/10 at 3:16 pm to
I'd have to say it was dead even. Saban lost at home to an inferior team(the team just layed an egg that day)but performed very well game in and game out on defense(Saban's specialty).
Miles lost two triple-over gut-wrenchers, as much due to a banged-up defense as anything. By and large the record-setting offense(his specialty) performed well all season. The one more loss for Miles is offset by the league being stronger overall in '07 as well as a demolition job on OSU.
I do think Saban is a better game-day coach btw but do not find he did any better than Miles given the circumstances both were handed. Saban defintely found a way to underachieve in '04 just as I feel Miles did last season and in '06. Both did a poor job of losing qb's unexpectedly that altered their respective records. Without the injury to MM in '02 and then the early departure of the future dentist after '03 and the RP fiasco which lead to the past two seasons, LSU leads the SEC by several victories for the decade. As it was they finished a close second which ain't bad at all.
Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
Ft. Lauderdale
Member since Jul 2005
33360 posts
Posted on 7/20/10 at 3:21 pm to
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I hate all you mother frickers.....just wanna throw that out there.

Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
Ft. Lauderdale
Member since Jul 2005
33360 posts
Posted on 7/20/10 at 3:28 pm to
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More impressive: Miles in '07 or Saban in '03?
'03 was better coached and better defensively. Sure we laid an egg against the Gators but we dominated almost everyone else we played. Huge scores 55+ points in some games as I recall and a smothering defense. We had players who played out of their minds (Mauck, Vincent, Lavalais), who weren't considered stars but who were being coached in a way that made them play like stars.

The '07 team had more talent across the board IMO but it was not as well coached and we had some key injuries. The games were too close and nail biters. We allowed 2 inferior teams to take us to triple OT and one of them in our own house. The team did not have a killer instinct until it got back into the NC. The coach was a distraction with his Michigan fiasco in the middle of a freakin SECC game.

It's pretty close, but a slight edge to Saban in '03 due to domination.
Posted by Lacour
Member since Nov 2009
32949 posts
Posted on 7/20/10 at 3:31 pm to
Even I am getting tired of threads like this.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49404 posts
Posted on 7/20/10 at 3:34 pm to
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I would agree, but I think the '06 team was the most talented team in the country and despite the horrid schedule, should not have lost more than 1 game. I can't criticize losing one game, but more than one that seasons feels like a lost opportunity.


While I agree that we were arguable the most talented team in the country that year, the talent at the very top of the rankings isn't that spread out. Playing a top ten team at their stadium in a hostile environment can easily make up for a slight difference in talent.
Posted by Hot Carl
Prayers up for 3
Member since Dec 2005
62698 posts
Posted on 7/20/10 at 3:34 pm to
This thread is beyond atrocious. The OP should perform sepukku imho.
Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
Ft. Lauderdale
Member since Jul 2005
33360 posts
Posted on 7/20/10 at 3:37 pm to
It's summer. Instead we could have another "name that LSU player with a funny name" thread.
Posted by DBG
vermont
Member since May 2004
79943 posts
Posted on 7/20/10 at 3:39 pm to
we were extremely luck to win in 2007, thats a fact. we almost squandered by far the best team in the country

not the case in 2003
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