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re: MLB Draft Results (LSU Related)
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:56 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:56 pm to Lester Earl
Kyle Martin - Senior from USCe - $200,000 at 114th overall. $300,000 under slot.
All the college Juniors around him signed for slot.
The 113th pick was a HS OF who signed for $1.3 mill.
All the college Juniors around him signed for slot.
The 113th pick was a HS OF who signed for $1.3 mill.
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Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:58 pm to tduecen
quote:
and in many instances, it does not work for the player. So maybe the statement ONLY was a bit much, but in many cases for non-elite 1st round talents going back for their senior season is not helping them.
Im not saying it works out. We know it doesnt because we know for a fact they will almost certainly get less money as a SR. This is the very reason they have leverage as a Junior. Just stop
Posted on 6/8/16 at 10:59 pm to tduecen
We're all saying the same damn thing. But Lester asked 1977 what the hell she meant by "only" meaning what other leverage could there be from Junior to Senior. This is all about money. 1977 worded it oddly. Lester asked a simple question and we've all be running in circles since.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 11:01 pm to ell_13
Has it occurred to any of y'all that to some of these guys the money doesn't matter? Experiences like LSU are rarely had again by a baseball player unless you're in the tiny percentage that will make real money playing in the MLB. A guy like Kramer who has tasted the immortality of being at a program like LSU, whom money is not a thing to, would NOT be an idiot for returning in favor of LSU instead of going around on jankety busses, with a bunch of Dominicans for months at a time. Anyone consider that?
Posted on 6/8/16 at 11:03 pm to ell_13
The Cubs had a large bonus pool last year and gave Wilson his asking price because he told them he was going to vandy for anything under 1.3... The Cubs obliged... This happens whether you're a senior in HS or a Junior in college. To say the ONLY leverage one has is as a senior in HS is simply not true.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 11:05 pm to Tigahs1977
quote:It matters. Maybe more to some than others. But to everyone it's a factor at least in part.
to some of these guys the money doesn't matter?
quote:Moore hasn't been the only junior to leave early when money isn't an issue. Hell, there were a few last year who certainly didn't "need" what they got.
Experiences like LSU are rarely had again by a baseball player unless you're in the tiny percentage that will make real money playing in the MLB
quote:Who called him an idiot for returning? The original argument was the guy talking about Nola and Bregman. How they should have come back and he would have to. They would have been idiots along with him.
A guy like Kramer who has tasted the immortality of being at a program like LSU, whom money is not a thing to, would NOT be an idiot for returning in favor of LSU instead of going around on jankety busses, with a bunch of Dominicans for months at a time. Anyone consider that?
Posted on 6/8/16 at 11:05 pm to Lester Earl
My original comment covered that,
quote:you decided to focus on the ONLY part. Hence, where my ONLY comment came from since teams are more willing to pay a bit extra for a 17/18 year old vs 22/23 year old. Really we are arguing the same thing, a junior has some leverage but the leverage is usually not in their favor unless they are a projected top 10 pick.
A junior saying he will come back to be a senior is usually asking to lose money
Posted on 6/8/16 at 11:06 pm to ell_13
I'm offended that you would call me a girl, ell.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 11:06 pm to ell_13
quote:Appears that way
We're all saying the same damn thing.
quote:Seems that way
Lester asked a simple question and we've all be running in circles since.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 11:06 pm to Tigahs1977
quote:I never said that. You still have leverage as a junior/soph in college. You said you lose it as a senior in college. Which is true.
To say the ONLY leverage one has is as a senior in HS is simply not true.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 11:07 pm to Tigahs1977
quote:
would NOT be an idiot for returning in favor of LSU instead of going around on jankety busses, with a bunch of Dominicans for months at a time. Anyone consider that?
dude 4 weeks ago you were saying KRob was gone
Posted on 6/8/16 at 11:09 pm to ell_13
quote:
How they should have come back and he would have to
Admittedly I did not see this. We're talking about a couple hundred thousand in Tyler and Kramers cases, Nola got 3.3 and Bregman 5.9... That's not just money... That's MONEY. Which anyone is insane to leave on the table. I agree with you, I'm sorry I didn't see the original comment about Nola and Bregman.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 11:09 pm to Tigahs1977
quote:People call me a girl all the time.
I'm offended that you would call me a girl, ell.
It's the "ell" though... At least that's what I tell myself...
And I'm offended that you tried to make me feel ashamed of where I went to school. Don't know why you thought that would work. I've got no shame. shite school. Had fun. Played all 4 (5 with TJ) years. No ragrets. If we go to omaha I'll link my stats like I did in '13 after beating OU and then y'all will have a real fricking field day.
This post was edited on 6/8/16 at 11:16 pm
Posted on 6/8/16 at 11:10 pm to tduecen
quote:
a junior has some leverage but the leverage is usually not in their favor unless they are a projected top 10 pick.
huh? i just showed you an example where Blake Dean was paid 100K less than JR's drafted in the same round as him. In the 10th Rd. How is it only top 10 picks have leverage?
and of course I took objection to your "ONLY" comment. Well, because it was wrong and you' were talking out your arse
Posted on 6/8/16 at 11:11 pm to Lester Earl
Yes I did, but 4 weeks ago LSU/Kramer hadn't gone on a crazy tear and he hasn't yet started to really enjoy what he was doing. If you would read the quotes from him since the arky series, he's got a totally different outlook on LSU and baseball. He's finally having fun, which a couple months ago he was not.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 11:12 pm to Lester Earl
Just looked at the numbers... Lots of 10th round seniors signed for 5k... goodness.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 11:14 pm to ell_13
Those are the guys I was referencing, btw. The "case of powerade" is basically what you have left of the $5000 that's pennies after taxes lol.
Posted on 6/8/16 at 11:15 pm to ell_13
yea, its rather drastic and you can tell who is a JR or SR just by looking at their signing bonus
Posted on 6/8/16 at 11:17 pm to Tigahs1977
Back to the draft, sorry for being a part of derailing it... Someone told me in the club on Tuesday that Jake Fraley is having a draft party tomorrow. I didn't think he'd be picked in the first 75 picks, but I sincerely hope I'm wrong! Revised staying/leaving:
Gone: Fraley, Poche, Newman
Wildcard: Deichmann, Romero
Drafted but stay: Freeman, Robertson, Bugg, Cartwright
Everyone else comes back: Profit!
Gone: Fraley, Poche, Newman
Wildcard: Deichmann, Romero
Drafted but stay: Freeman, Robertson, Bugg, Cartwright
Everyone else comes back: Profit!
Posted on 6/8/16 at 11:18 pm to Lester Earl
1st and 2nd rounds are about even (if a senior ever gets picked). 3rd - 5th is about 50% of what a junior makes. 6th-8th is about 20%. 9th and 10th is about 5%.
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