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re: Missed field goal result of not being ready?
Posted on 9/24/12 at 9:15 am to Antonio Moss
Posted on 9/24/12 at 9:15 am to Antonio Moss
I clearly said that either Miles, the staff, or both made a mistake in not making their decision and have the FG team ready soon enough. It just wasn't the case that the FG team should have been sent out there, no matter what, like some people in this thread were saying.
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Posted on 9/24/12 at 9:16 am to misey94
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Are you guys really this stupid? Did you not watch the game? It technically WASN'T 4th down yet. Auburn could have accepted the holding penalty, in which case, we would have been backed up, and would have had to replay 3rd down.
I appreciate this explanation. Good information. And yes, I forgot about the holding penalty. It all makes a little more sense, now.
One question. Do you really need to call strangers on the internet stupid? I think your mother raised you better than that.
Posted on 9/24/12 at 9:16 am to Antonio Moss
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That means Miles had extra time to have the FG unit ready. Both the offense and the FG unit should have been ready to go depending on the outcome of the penalty.
DING DING DING...we have a winner! 100% correct.
Posted on 9/24/12 at 9:17 am to Jacuzzitub
Yeah, went a bit overboard there. I was just frustrated that not a single posted before me even acknowledged that the holding penalty was a factor in the decision. That's a pretty important tidbit to leave out.
Posted on 9/24/12 at 9:20 am to misey94
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Yeah, went a bit overboard there. I was just frustrated that not a single posted before me even acknowledged that the holding penalty was a factor in the decision. That's a pretty important tidbit to leave out.
No worries. I'm embarrassed that I forgot about the penalty. Your explanation is very reasonably, especially the point about assistants and managers running around with clipboards. Sounds like you have side-line experience. True?
Posted on 9/24/12 at 9:21 am to AlxTgr
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yes it was. It was spot on. The unit was ready. Did you not see them run out together?
Good point. It wasn't like they were running around like keystone cops. The players were ready. They just didn't get the word to go quickly enough. Still a mistake, but again, a more easily fixed mistake with a little situational practice.
Posted on 9/24/12 at 9:24 am to misey94
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No worries. I'm embarrassed that I forgot about the penalty. Your explanation is very reasonably, especially the point about assistants and managers running around with clipboards. Sounds like you have side-line experience. True?
Not personal experience with a team, but I've spent a little time on the sideline as a spectator. I've gotten field passes to several games at the Liberty Bowl in Memphis (where I grew up) in the past. When you are there on the sideline, you start to see some of the coordination that has to take place for even routine things like player-subs and signaling in each play. You don't really get as much of a feel for that in the stands or on TV.
This post was edited on 9/24/12 at 9:25 am
Posted on 9/24/12 at 9:27 am to BabySam
quote:Typical Miles clock management. Nothing should be surprising at this point.
With the way the game played out, everyone knew that LSU wasn't going for it on fourth. So I ask the question, why the hell was the FG team not ready to get out on the field? It took a few seconds as Miles as the camera showed him talking to a coach before finally saying FG. I feel the extended decision making caused the rushed opportunity and ultimate miss at the end.
quote:Absolutely not. I'll take a 5 point lead with 40 secs to go over a 2 point lead any day. All they needed was one fluke play and they would have been in FG range.
On the flip side, what's your thoughts on us making the FG and then having to kickoff? Was it a blessing in disguise with having Auburn pinned deep in their territory?
Posted on 9/24/12 at 9:30 am to Jacuzzitub
the penalty which had auburn decided to take would have changed both down and distance for lsu.
i believe lsu had to wait to see what auburn would do. the field goal unit was ready on sideline...but you would not want offense removed
from field with 3rd down coming up .
when auburn decided to decline the penalty the field goal unit was sent in and i thought he had enough time with good snap and hold
lsu used its last time out on previous play with clock run down.
to me the real problem where the penalties which
seemed to disrupt almost every phase of lsu's game.
i believe lsu had to wait to see what auburn would do. the field goal unit was ready on sideline...but you would not want offense removed
from field with 3rd down coming up .
when auburn decided to decline the penalty the field goal unit was sent in and i thought he had enough time with good snap and hold
lsu used its last time out on previous play with clock run down.
to me the real problem where the penalties which
seemed to disrupt almost every phase of lsu's game.
Posted on 9/24/12 at 9:30 am to Antonio Moss
quote:Which part?
but its totally inexcusable on this level of football
Posted on 9/24/12 at 9:38 am to TigerPimpNationTrank
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That means Miles had extra time to have the FG unit ready.
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DING DING DING...we have a winner! 100% correct.
Not necessarily. I'd say we actually had less time than we planned. If we run the ball, no penalty, the play clock is a 40 second clock
When a penalty is administered, regardless of outcome, the play clock is a 25 second clock. So the referee announced the penalty was declined and started the 25 second play clock rolling.
I'm guessing Miles and staff didn't get an explanation that Auburn was declining the penalty or an explanation from the officials before the public announcement of exactly how the rejection of the penalty affected the game situation (as coaches sometimes get, especially in more complex penalty call situations-see both sidelines got explanations on the 4 flag punt play earlier in the game).
I watched the replay of this situation on ESPN3 last night and the game and play clock started very quickly after the announcement was made over the referree's microphone.
ETA: with 15 more seconds + the confusion of whether Auburn accepts or declines the penaly, I think we would easily hit the FG without the penalty.
This post was edited on 9/24/12 at 9:43 am
Posted on 9/24/12 at 9:43 am to Antonio Moss
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No, it wasn't.
The clock stops on a penalty and doesn't start running again until being marked for play. That means Miles had extra time to have the FG unit ready. Both the offense and the FG unit should have been ready to go depending on the outcome of the penalty. Furthermore, it was pretty obvious that Auburn was going to decline because LSU would have been able to take additional 10 seconds or so off the clock had the penalty been accepted.
We were unprepared, plain and simple.
something is fishy here.
the original 3rd down was run or ended with about 58 seconds on the clock.
flag was thrown.
Auburn declined the penalty
LSU goes for FG
time is ticking on the play clock. When Alleman attempts the FG, there are 44 seconds on the clock
so can someone explain to me how a 14 second play clock happened here????
eta: bold I had wrong number there
This post was edited on 9/24/12 at 9:44 am
Posted on 9/24/12 at 9:45 am to meldawg399
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I watched the replay of this situation on ESPN3 last night and the game and play clock started very quickly after the announcement was made over the referree's microphone.
ETA: with 15 more seconds + the confusion of whether Auburn accepts or declines the penaly, I think we would easily hit the FG without the penalty.
this!!!!
something was up with that clock. I noticed it too. How can the play end at 58 and when the kick actually happens it's 44 but there is no time on the play clock??????
something fishy Im telling you
Posted on 9/24/12 at 9:46 am to ttigermike
Exactly.
The penalty is what made this look so bad. It meant the O had to wait on the field until decision was made. Once the call was made ( with ref facing away from LSU sidelines) the staff had to make sure they heard the correct call. I wasn't there but I assume the place wasn't quiet at that moment.
Then send out the kicking team, who had to line up and snap while making sure all the O actually got off the field.
And because of the penalty, the clock restarts with 25 seconds instead of the usual 40.
The whole process looked rushed because it was rushed because it had to be rushed because of the goddam penalty. And we had no TO left, despite multiple poster agreeing that we should have called one before kicking.
The depth of knowledge of football and the level of curiosity as to what creates certain situations is so low it blows my mind. And I'm no great guru of football, either.
Just blame the coach for anything bad.
The penalty is what made this look so bad. It meant the O had to wait on the field until decision was made. Once the call was made ( with ref facing away from LSU sidelines) the staff had to make sure they heard the correct call. I wasn't there but I assume the place wasn't quiet at that moment.
Then send out the kicking team, who had to line up and snap while making sure all the O actually got off the field.
And because of the penalty, the clock restarts with 25 seconds instead of the usual 40.
The whole process looked rushed because it was rushed because it had to be rushed because of the goddam penalty. And we had no TO left, despite multiple poster agreeing that we should have called one before kicking.
The depth of knowledge of football and the level of curiosity as to what creates certain situations is so low it blows my mind. And I'm no great guru of football, either.
Just blame the coach for anything bad.
Posted on 9/24/12 at 9:49 am to yallallcrazy
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And because of the penalty, the clock restarts with 25 seconds instead of the usual 40.
that still doesn't add up though. Looks like the play clock restarted before the game clock
play ended at :58. Kick missed a 44. Zero time on play clock. Where are those extra 11 seconds? Did Aubie start the play clock before game clock? Is that the normal way or not?
I don't think it is but the ruletards will let us know
Posted on 9/24/12 at 9:50 am to stapuffmarshy
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the original 3rd down was run or ended with about 58 seconds on the clock.
When I rewatched on ESPN3, the clock stopped at 1:17 for penalty administration if I recall correctly (1:13 make more sense mathematically). I think they might have shaved a couple seconds, but it diodn't look egregious on the ESPN3 replay. The officials didn't give an explanation to Miles, wound the clock very quickly, and LSU didn't have much time to make an important decision that had potentially a significant impact on the game.
Posted on 9/24/12 at 9:51 am to meldawg399
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When I rewatched on ESPN3, the clock stopped at 1:17 for penalty administration if I recall correctly (1:13 make more sense mathematically). I think they might have shaved a couple seconds, but it diodn't look egregious on the ESPN3 replay. The officials didn't give an explanation to Miles, wound the clock very quickly, and LSU didn't have much time to make an important decision that had potentially a significant impact on the game.
I have it on dvr, I'll check it tonight.
Posted on 9/24/12 at 9:54 am to BabySam
Alleman is not a consistent kicker, only an adequate one. He will miss at least two more and a PAT or two.
Posted on 9/24/12 at 9:54 am to stapuffmarshy
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play ended at :58. Kick missed a 44. Zero time on play clock. Where are those extra 11 seconds?
Maybe the clock ran until they stopped it for penalty administration, reset the game clock back to what it was when the play ended, and then they started it after Auburn declined? It was shaky and seemed to me on the replay like we were missing a few seconds but not a lot. What got me was how quickly the officials wound the clock and that LSU's sideline didn't get an explanation of the outcome prior to the public announcement in such a critical situation.
Posted on 9/24/12 at 9:57 am to meldawg399
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meldawg399
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When a penalty is administered, regardless of outcome, the play clock is a 25 second clock
good info, thanks! watching the replay last night i was trying to do the math for the play clock/game clock when i heard the whistle from the field. this definitely brings light to how the chain of events went.
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