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re: Miles on lineup
Posted on 8/31/10 at 12:53 pm to jlsutiger
Posted on 8/31/10 at 12:53 pm to jlsutiger
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Uhhh, explain Shepard's lack of playing time last year. Or Randle's 11 total catches. I guess seeing the field for you means a couple of garbage time plays or 1-2 snaps per game but no significant contributions. We just can't trust a true freshman to be able to do that huh?
Shepard got plenty of playing time outside of Florida and Penn St. Also, his snaps last year were basically shared with Trindon (who was good).
Randle played more than his stats show. Especially towards the end of the season. He was on the field quite a bit. Richard Dickson didn't get many passes thrown his way either -- did he? Doesn't mean he didn't play. A championship winning multiple year starter.. only caught 21 passes and you want to bitch about a freshman (who was the #3 or #4 WR last year) geting 11 passes?
This post was edited on 8/31/10 at 12:56 pm
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Posted on 8/31/10 at 12:58 pm to jlsutiger
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Uhhh, explain Shepard's lack of playing time last year.
Maybe it had something to do with the fact that he was having trouble grasping the playbook and learning routes.
Posted on 8/31/10 at 1:00 pm to ForeLSU
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by reports of multiple folks who have watched practice, and have no real agenda, Ford should be 3rd on the depth chart right now. I thought he would emerge as the leader, but it seems the other guys have won the job
Yeah. As often happens, when talented guys feel the heat of a young buck they step-up their game a bit. Ford's presence is only helping Murphy and Ridley perform at a high level. And since he wants to play and is competitive he will continue to strive for excellence. It's the kind of environnment you hope for. I still believe Ford will get meaningful carries this season.
Posted on 8/31/10 at 1:03 pm to Choctaw
quote:there is that patented Les Miles excuse again for not playing true freshman offensive players. Funny how other freakishly talent players like Harvin, AJ Green, Julio Jones, etc. etc. etc. didn't have those same problems.
Maybe it had something to do with the fact that he was having trouble grasping the playbook and learning routes.
Posted on 8/31/10 at 1:06 pm to bmy
quote:So you're saying that you were satisfied with the number of touches Shep got last year? You don't think our most explosive offensive weapon should have gotten more touches in an offense ranked 112th nationally? Don't make me go break out the stats for his number of offensive touches. It is pathetic. I guarantee that you are the ONLY LSU fan satisfied with the number of touches Shepard had last year.
Shepard got plenty of playing time outside of Florida and Penn St
Posted on 8/31/10 at 1:07 pm to jlsutiger
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there is that patented Les Miles excuse again for not playing true freshman offensive players. Funny how other freakishly talent players like Harvin, AJ Green, Julio Jones, etc. etc. etc. didn't have those same problems.
I covered this already. Fwiw AJ Green got roughly the same amount of touches as a freshman as Shepard did.
Posted on 8/31/10 at 1:08 pm to jlsutiger
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So you're saying that you were satisfied with the number of touches Shep got last year? You don't think our most explosive offensive weapon should have gotten more touches in an offense ranked 112th nationally? Don't make me go break out the stats for his number of offensive touches. It is pathetic. I guarantee that you are the ONLY LSU fan satisfied with the number of touches Shepard had last year.
I thought he should have been given a few more per game. Not much though. He was thin as a stick and his body would not have held up. He's 190+ now and much thicker. He could only run last year -- he wasn't a WR yet.
This post was edited on 8/31/10 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 8/31/10 at 1:09 pm to bmy
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Fwiw AJ Green got roughly the same amount of touches as a freshman as Shepard did.
Harvin, too.
Shepard's touches account for around 6% of our offense last year.
Harvin's touches accounted for around 8% of Florida's offense is first year.
Posted on 8/31/10 at 1:10 pm to jlsutiger
quote:your naming players that play a position that we are always stocked at. lat year we had Brandon lafell and Terrence tolliver. our passing game was not poor becuz we didnt play RR. it was poor do to a horrible o line and a young Qb with a limited playbook
Harvin, AJ Green, Julio Jones
Posted on 8/31/10 at 1:12 pm to jlsutiger
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there is that patented Les Miles excuse again for not playing true freshman offensive players. Funny how other freakishly talent players like Harvin, AJ Green, Julio Jones, etc. etc. etc. didn't have those same problems.
Maybe he should have been coached better?
Posted on 8/31/10 at 1:14 pm to Antonio Moss
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Shepard's touches account for around 6% of our offense last year.
Harvin's touches accounted for around 8% of Florida's offense is first year.
I already called you on this nonsense the first time you posted it.
Harvin was 8% of a national championship winning offense despite being hurt for a portion of the year and was an integral part of their offense in the championship game.
Shepard was held completely out of games he could have played in, despite our offense being terrible and us losing.
It is a completely bogus and intellectually dishonest comparison.
Posted on 8/31/10 at 1:16 pm to TheDoc
you guys do realize about like 5 games in the season, shep went to Les Miles and asked for a position change to better help the offense. how can you teach to play a position he isnt used to
Posted on 8/31/10 at 1:16 pm to jlsutiger
quote:
there is that patented Les Miles excuse again for not playing true freshman offensive players. Funny how other freakishly talent players like Harvin, AJ Green, Julio Jones, etc. etc. etc. didn't have those same problems.
Posted on 8/31/10 at 1:17 pm to jlsutiger
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This post was edited on 8/31/10 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 8/31/10 at 1:18 pm to uway
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I already called you on this nonsense the first time you posted it.
Harvin was 8% of a national championship winning offense despite being hurt for a portion of the year and was an integral part of their offense in the championship game.
Shepard was held completely out of games he could have played in, despite our offense being terrible and us losing.
It is a completely bogus and intellectually dishonest comparison.
When did I say that it's insane to question Miles? Fwiw you're questioning the position coaches too -- they are the ones who decide who goes in. Miles can override.. sure, but we know from quotes that he rarely interferes.
My opinion is that this is a retarded argument until you compare and contrast it to his peers with examples. As I've said before.. exceptional freshman will see the field as true freshman. This holds true under Miles as it does under every coach. I want your examples of true freshman in the SEC who are not exceptional seeing significant snaps over upper level guys who have started for one or more year.
You must have missed my post. It generally gets ignored when I ask someone to provide proof though.. wonder why?
This post was edited on 8/31/10 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 8/31/10 at 1:18 pm to uway
quote:Exactly. Harvin had 75 offensive touches to Shep's 50 despite Harvin missing all or part of 6 games because of injuries that season.
I already called you on this nonsense the first time you posted it.
Harvin was 8% of a national championship winning offense despite being hurt for a portion of the year and was an integral part of their offense in the championship game.
Shepard was held completely out of games he could have played in, despite our offense being terrible and us losing.
This post was edited on 8/31/10 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 8/31/10 at 1:20 pm to jlsutiger
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Exactly. Harvin had 75 offensive touches to Shep's 50 despite Harvin missing all or part of 6 games because of injuries that season.
So he missed half the season due to injuries. You'd be happy with Shepard being out for 6 games with severe injuries... if it meant he got more playing time? He deserves better than that IMO. Shepard didn't have a true position last year AND he was to thin to be an every down kinda guy last year. That's it really.. case closed.
This post was edited on 8/31/10 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 8/31/10 at 1:23 pm to bmy
quote:So b/c Harvin happened to get injured his freshman year, we should NOT play our best offensive weapon b/c HE too could possibly get injured like Harvin. Why play Shepard EVER then? Why play him this year or next? I mean, he COULD get injured, right? So you think he "deserves better" thus, should ride the pine rather than risk injury? Stupid argument.
So he missed half the season due to injuries. You'd be happy with Shepard being out for 6 games with severe injuries... if it meant he got more playing time? He deserves better than that IMO.
Posted on 8/31/10 at 1:24 pm to BamaScoop
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So Ford is going to ride the bench all year?
He's a freshman right?
Posted on 8/31/10 at 1:26 pm to jlsutiger
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Harvin had 75 offensive touches to Shep's 50 despite Harvin
how many games during the season was Harvin on the depth chart as a QB?
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