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re: Miles isn't asking for a raise at LSU.

Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:22 pm to
Posted by Rocket
Member since Mar 2004
61117 posts
Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:22 pm to
What up par?
Posted by CubsFanBudMan
Member since Jul 2008
5998 posts
Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:22 pm to
When considering between 2 job offers, there's a lot more to look at than just salary. You also have to consider the benefits that come alone with the company (ease of recruiting in LA vs AR). Is any coach worth $5.5M? Not even close. But some schools have to over-pay to get a coach to look past the negatives of that school. If Miles uses this "offer" as leverage, then LSU should call his bluff.

Anybody watch the episode of Louie where he tries out for the host of Late Night? They weren't looking for a replacement for Letterman, they were just looking for an option to use against him in the negotiation.
Posted by Summer of George
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
6008 posts
Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:22 pm to
Les's contract will be renegotiated from $3.75M to $4.2M. Arkansas is not being considered.
Posted by The312
I Live in The Three One Two
Member since Aug 2008
6967 posts
Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:25 pm to
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Apples and Oranges. If you compare Miles' record at LSU v. Saban's record at LSU, Miles wins.


It's actually unfathomable to me that some fans still want to compare the raw records of Saban and Miles at LSU as if it proves something, without even attempting to take account of the differing state of the program when each coach began his respective tenure. I've said it a million times, I'll say it again, when Saban took over, we were coming off a 3-8 regular season, two consecutive losing seasons, were more than a decade removed from our last SEC title, and four decades remoced from our last NC. By contrast, when Miles took over, we were coming off a 9-2 regular season, had won two sec titles in the last four years, and were two years removed from an NC. Those two programs are not even close to being equivalent.

And even though the 2000 program was inferior to the 2005 program, Saban managed to win just as many SECC's and NC's in five years as Miles has won in eight!

The more I read this board, the more convinced I become that there is a segment of our fan base that is either (a) legitimately stupid; or (b) willfully biased. Since I don't want to be uncharitable and conclude it's (a), I figure that some fans are so devoted to Miles that they are now incapable of objectively guaging evidence.
Posted by LSUSkip
Central, LA
Member since Jul 2012
24717 posts
Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:35 pm to
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Now compare the situation that each one walked into.


Gene Chizik and John L Smith would like to add that it's awfully difficult to maintain a program at such a high level for years.
Posted by nitwit
Member since Oct 2007
13062 posts
Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:36 pm to
So, Les' old Michigan pal the Arky AD lofts this rumor of a 35 mil offer to 1) let Ark fans know he's leaving no stone unturned and 2) to give his old friend Les the opportunity to renegotiate for a couple more million over a few years.
The "offer" was never a bonafide and never was nor will it ever be an "offer".
It is , however, useful.to bothj.
Incidentally, Ark would have to add about 15 million to pay Les' buy out, for a total of 50 million if it WAS real.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
94754 posts
Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:38 pm to
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You're nuts....Les isn't worth the $4million he is making now. I would offer him a salary cut.


LSU football revenue is up ~$15 million just since 2007 - you don't want to pay him 1/3 of that increase?

Posted by navy
Parts Unknown, LA
Member since Sep 2010
31458 posts
Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:40 pm to
quote:

Gene Chizik and John L Smith would like to add that it's awfully difficult to maintain a program at such a high level for years.



good lord.
Posted by TheBob
Metairie
Member since Jun 2005
16993 posts
Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:41 pm to
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LSU football revenue is up ~$15 million just since 2007 - you don't want to pay him 1/3 of that increase?


No
Posted by mcpotiger
Missouri
Member since Mar 2005
8897 posts
Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:45 pm to
If he is not satisfied with 3.75 million a year and being at LSU then he should just leave. As for any pay increases, that would be non negotiable until he wins the SEC or BCS again. He is WAY more than fairly compensated.
Posted by DeathValley1924
Clear Lake, TX
Member since Aug 2006
756 posts
Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:45 pm to
quote:

You're nuts....Les isn't worth the $4million he is making now. I would offer him a salary cut.




LSU football revenue is up ~$15 million just since 2007 - you don't want to pay him 1/3 of that increase?


You can tie the $15 million incremental increase to Miles and his superior coaching?
Posted by TigerJeff
the Emerald Coast
Member since Oct 2006
16356 posts
Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:46 pm to
no raise
Posted by LSU GrandDad
houston, texas
Member since Jun 2009
21564 posts
Posted on 11/28/12 at 1:47 pm to
coaches salaries have escalated since miles got his last raise. i do not believe miles will leave for arky period. even if lsu doens't pony up. BUT, the next time a legitimate offer comes up from someplace miles deems desirable, he's a gone pecan. it is time for LSU to show good faith or the situation could get untenable, now or in the future. many young bucks (or inexperienced ones) on here have no clue how this stuff works, in sports or the business world. when the supply of really good personnel is less than the demand the organization better take care of them. it's cheaper in the long run.
Posted by nitwit
Member since Oct 2007
13062 posts
Posted on 11/28/12 at 2:02 pm to
Time to show "good faith"?
with someone you entered into a contract with in "good faith"?
We are paying 4 million a year in "good faith".
Les, is that YOU posting?
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
94754 posts
Posted on 11/28/12 at 2:09 pm to
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You can tie the $15 million incremental increase to Miles and his superior coaching?


$80 million to $95 million is not incremental.
Posted by SpeckledTiger
Denham Springs
Member since Jul 2010
1482 posts
Posted on 11/28/12 at 2:10 pm to
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And even though the 2000 program was inferior to the 2005 program, Saban managed to win just as many SECC's and NC's in five years as Miles has won in eight!



And what was the overall state of the conference during the time each of those SECC's were won? It's at the very least arguable that Miles won his facing stiffer competition. Including beating Saban/Bama on the road for one of those championships.
This post was edited on 11/28/12 at 2:12 pm
Posted by dischNoutTAspd
Houston
Member since Nov 2009
909 posts
Posted on 11/28/12 at 2:10 pm to
Tl:dr
Posted by Fububutsy
Lake Charles, LA
Member since Jan 2007
4077 posts
Posted on 11/28/12 at 2:15 pm to
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nitwit


Username is accurate.
Posted by nitwit
Member since Oct 2007
13062 posts
Posted on 11/28/12 at 2:25 pm to
Powerful argument, Fooboo...
Posted by Ray Ray Rodman
Florida
Member since Mar 2005
17654 posts
Posted on 11/28/12 at 2:31 pm to
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plenty of schools will gladly pay Les Miles $5+ million to make them perennial title contenders.



Does that mean he gets to take the talent and future wealth of recruits from La. with him???

If not, I dont see how he automatically makes a team a title contender...


I LOVE Miles and dont want him going anywhere and think he has done a great job.

But still, LSU's resources made him, not the other way around.

If he is the coach at Tenn this year, he wins no more than 6 to 7 games max. His coaching aint bad by any means, but the talent is where he gets those 10 win seasons from. Not his coaching.
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