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re: Miles' Doghouse....Does it really exist?
Posted on 10/16/11 at 3:25 pm to MP34LSU
Posted on 10/16/11 at 3:25 pm to MP34LSU
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but I love Ford too and if anybody looks at his per carry average it is always high. He had 7yds per carry in the UT game with 5 carries.
Is it possible Ford's ypc is good because of the way he is used, and not in spite of it? Same for Keiland and Shep.
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Posted on 10/16/11 at 3:27 pm to Baloo
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I think you're tearing down Blue
naw
in terms of good RBs in the SEC, blue is just a guy. it's not a slight on blue, he's just...good at best at some things. he's not that explosive (but he's not slow). he's not that powerful (but he's not lamichael james). he isn't a failure at pass blocking (but probably has as many whiffs as ford). he's ok at receiving. he's a good 3rd or 4th option, and he'll be that guy through 2013
if we're comparing 2 players, 1 has to be better and 1 has to be worse. saying 1 is better isn't saying anything negative about the other (unless, as i said earlier, i'm using a shitty player as a comparision...which i'm not)
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how is Ford being misused?
i think our carries should be more like
45% ware
35% ford
15% shep/JJ
5% backups/WR (blue, mcgee, hilliard, etc)
we need to save ware and get more explosive plays in our running game. JJs going to get carries now that he's back.
Posted on 10/16/11 at 3:28 pm to jacks40
what about it? he's a starting OT in the NFL to this day
Posted on 10/16/11 at 3:29 pm to MOT
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Is it possible Ford's ypc is good because of the way he is used, and not in spite of it?
I think the two sides of the argument go hand-in-hand.
Posted on 10/16/11 at 3:32 pm to Stagg8
i hope that everyone agrees at this point that we need to run it more to the outside. our base rushing offense is getting stale
look at ware's rushes
look at ware's rushes
Posted on 10/16/11 at 3:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Message Posted by SlowFlowPro what about it? he's a starting OT in the NFL to this day
Just saying random names
Posted on 10/16/11 at 3:35 pm to jacks40
i'd rather have winston justice backing up both OT spots as opposed to roman harper making $8 fricking million per 
Posted on 10/16/11 at 3:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i hope that everyone agrees at this point that we need to run it more to the outside. our base rushing offense is getting stale
look at ware's rushes
I think fans should be able to, at the least, say that we had success (in limited opportunities) at runnin the ball off-tackle with Ford, Shepard, and at times Ware against Tennessee. It'll be interesting to see how LSU decides to attack Alabama on the ground. I think we're going to see the re-emergence of the middle screen if Bama's front 7 is disruptive early in the game.
Posted on 10/16/11 at 3:38 pm to Baloo
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You're not Peej levels of bad, but you're not nearly as good at it as you think you are.
Damn.
Posted on 10/16/11 at 3:40 pm to Stagg8
i think we're going to see some "frick it throw it deep" moments against bama much more often than what we've seen so far
Posted on 10/16/11 at 3:41 pm to Baloo
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Williams didn't play much not because Miles hated him, but because he wasn't that effective when he did play.
a back that averaged 5.6 YPC over 4 years was not effective?
Im not a KW pumper in the category of SFP, but He was a good back I thought that didnt get enough run. But whenever he played, he produced. A better question would to tell me when he wasnt effective.
to say he wasnt effective is stupid
Posted on 10/16/11 at 3:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i think we're going to see some "frick it throw it deep" moments against bama much more often than what we've seen so far
It's gonna be tough-sledding for sure, but I think this offensive staff will be a little more confident that they can find chinks (not racist) unlike years passed. Expect to see some passes on 3rd and medium to mostly unused guys like Joseph and Clement.
Posted on 10/16/11 at 3:50 pm to TheDoc
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Keiland was a whiff.
I completely disagree.
+1
+2
I can't fault the coaches for not giving him more carries in 07 and 08 since the guys in front of him had good yrs, but given more chances I think he could've matched or exceeded what they did.
and it was a shame how they jerked around his carries in 09. he lost weight, ran harder, and saw his chances just fall off after our shitty OL didn't block for him. Chuck didn't do much better, but still got the rock.
Posted on 10/16/11 at 4:01 pm to Lester Earl
He wasn't that effective. People make it sound like he was Barry Sanders. He wasn't. He was a good back who got us yards in limited action. He wasn't the second coming, but he was a nice contributor. Why isn't that good enough? People always wanted him to be more than he was.
But looking at his splits, know when Keiland was his least effective? When LSU was down. Especially when we were down by a TD or less. His YPC dropped to about 3.5 in those situations.
But I really don't want to keep fighting the Keiland fight. I stopped caring about it a long time ago. But I think the big difference between the Keiland and Ford situations is the injury to Ford and the fact he's getting those carries back. I think he'll be back to over 10 carries a game either against Auburn or Bama.
On topics of general rushing, I think the decline in our inside rushing has a lot more to do with injuries on the offensive line. It doesn't really matter who the back is, Ware was getting hit in the backfield repeatedly. Ford and Shep should be getting carries mainly because they are our best outside threats.
ETA: For the record, Keiland had 70 carries in 2009, Scott had 116.
But looking at his splits, know when Keiland was his least effective? When LSU was down. Especially when we were down by a TD or less. His YPC dropped to about 3.5 in those situations.
But I really don't want to keep fighting the Keiland fight. I stopped caring about it a long time ago. But I think the big difference between the Keiland and Ford situations is the injury to Ford and the fact he's getting those carries back. I think he'll be back to over 10 carries a game either against Auburn or Bama.
On topics of general rushing, I think the decline in our inside rushing has a lot more to do with injuries on the offensive line. It doesn't really matter who the back is, Ware was getting hit in the backfield repeatedly. Ford and Shep should be getting carries mainly because they are our best outside threats.
ETA: For the record, Keiland had 70 carries in 2009, Scott had 116.
This post was edited on 10/16/11 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 10/16/11 at 4:03 pm to Baloo
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He was a good back who got us yards in limited action.
do you consider the final 1/3 of a season that limited?
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He wasn't the second coming, but he was a nice contributor. Why isn't that good enough?
because we saw what he could do in the final 1/3 of 2006 and to start 2007
we haven't seen that kind of explosive running from our starting RB since
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I think the decline in our inside rushing has a lot more to do with injuries on the offensive line. It doesn't really matter who the back is
that just makes it more logical to rush more outside
This post was edited on 10/16/11 at 4:04 pm
Posted on 10/16/11 at 4:04 pm to Baloo
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On topics of general rushing, I think the decline in our inside rushing has a lot more to do with injuries on the offensive line
Certainly half of the problem... the other half being predictability.
And mind you, I use the word "problem" very liberally as LSU has been very successful in the running game.
Posted on 10/16/11 at 4:07 pm to Baloo
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But looking at his splits, know when Keiland was his least effective? When LSU was down. Especially when we were down by a TD or less. His YPC dropped to about 3.5 in those situations.
where is this info?
Posted on 10/16/11 at 4:12 pm to deuce985
Is there a stat for "almost giving up a sack"?
Posted on 10/16/11 at 4:14 pm to Lester Earl
I guess we'll just keep seeing ware run into a wall of defenders over and over.
Surely that will work against Alabama.
Surely that will work against Alabama.
Posted on 10/16/11 at 4:16 pm to Lester Earl
cfbstats.com has everyone's splits. It's a cool site. It only goes back to 2007, but it's pretty great.
I'm ok with the predictability because the team is so dominant right now. Why go into the bag of tricks if you don't have to? Especially given that the inside runs set up Lee's play action, which is his best weapon. He's great on the play action.
I'm ok with the predictability because the team is so dominant right now. Why go into the bag of tricks if you don't have to? Especially given that the inside runs set up Lee's play action, which is his best weapon. He's great on the play action.
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