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re: Miles DID NOT call for the spike. Video evidence
Posted on 11/22/09 at 10:00 am to Stevo
Posted on 11/22/09 at 10:00 am to Stevo
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Stevo
Miles DID NOT call for the spike. Video evidence
He motioned to the ground 5 times, agreed.
He used the universal signal for spiking the ball 5 times. Agreed.
If he wasn't calling for the spike he needs to re-examinehis signals. Also dancing like Angus Young toward the OPPOSITE side of the field was stupid.
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Posted on 11/22/09 at 10:01 am to Stevo
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He motioned to the ground 5 times, agreed.
yes and that is where the naysayers are qick to judge. It an cupped hand going up and down and at one point he used two hands. Not the universal spike motion. He started this when he saw the UM player holding the ball up and was motioning to the ref, in the opinion of many. The QB was not anywhere near where Miles was motioning--further evidence he was not motioning Jefferson to spike. He said he did not call for the spike b/c that was not an option.
Many just don't get that.
This post was edited on 11/22/09 at 10:05 am
Posted on 11/22/09 at 10:06 am to LSUTANGERINE
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Many just don't get that.
They dont want to. Miles has a lot to answer for this year, but calling for the spike is not one.
Posted on 11/22/09 at 10:06 am to Newgene
.) Miles may have been saying Tolliver was down before the OM player took the ball. This is dumb considering that would be reviewed. Either way, if he's not calling for a spike, all this is moot.
Furthermore, if he were calling for a spike as the rash judgers contend, he woudl have done it to JJ. JJ was nowhere near where LM was motioning. He was at midfield.
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2.) He may be calling for a spike. If the SEC refs correctly manage the clock, there is at least 2, and possible 3 seconds left on the clock. At that point, the ABSOLUTE correct call is to spike the ball. I think that's what Miles was doing right before the idiots bled the clock to 1 second.
Furthermore, if he were calling for a spike as the rash judgers contend, he woudl have done it to JJ. JJ was nowhere near where LM was motioning. He was at midfield.
Posted on 11/22/09 at 10:07 am to TIsuGGER
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TIsuGGER
Miles DID NOT call for the spike. Video evidence
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Many just don't get that.
They dont want to. Miles has a lot to answer for this year, but calling for the spike is not one.
I'm glad we agree. He will have to answer for the spike.
Posted on 11/22/09 at 10:13 am to WoWyHi
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I'm glad we agree. He will have to answer for the spike.
If he's smart (loaded statement), he'll take full responsibility for the whole thing.
Posted on 11/22/09 at 10:51 am to Stevo
The game is on Miles, but the spike call is not.
But after further, further review, it appears the Hail Mary fell short of the end zone, and there was no time for another play, regardless of whether a spike was called
But after further, further review, it appears the Hail Mary fell short of the end zone, and there was no time for another play, regardless of whether a spike was called
Posted on 11/22/09 at 10:53 am to RobbBobb
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But after further, further review, it appears the Hail Mary fell short of the end zone, and there was no time for another play, regardless of whether a spike was called
yes, I think there was nothign else lined up b/c they thought they were going for the endzone to win or lose on one play.
Posted on 11/22/09 at 10:53 am to RobbBobb
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RobbBobb
But after further, further review, it appears the Hail Mary fell short of the end zone, and there was no time for another play, regardless of whether a spike was called
This is also incorrect and now you are simply reaching. You are blinded by something and to be honest it's getting sad. There might not have been time for a Les Miles team but for every other team on the planet there was time to run one more play.
Posted on 11/22/09 at 10:55 am to WoWyHi
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There might not have been time for a Les Miles team but for every other team on the planet there was time to run one more play.
No, when the refs signaled for the clock to start, poof, the game was over--before the snap
Posted on 11/22/09 at 11:01 am to WoWyHi
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WoWyHi
dude you need to quit, the tide has turned. The Hail Mary fell short, and that ended the game.
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But let’s set the record straight. When Jordan Jefferson spiked the ball with the clock on zero, it didn’t count as a play. Time ran out first. So even if LSU had the play of the century to run there, it didn’t have time to line up and snap it.
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One second remained on the stopped clock, but by the time the chains were moved and LSU got to the line, game officials started the time and it expired before Jefferson got a snap and spiked the ball.
It’s debatable that there was any way the Tigers could’ve gotten a play off under the best of circumstances, but the chaos made the point moot. The spike didn’t count anyway.
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Posted on 11/22/09 at 1:08 pm to TIsuGGER
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They dont want to.
Yeah, they want more reason to vilify that mean ol' dirty coach who made the so mad they just can't stands no more!
"Let's call him a liar! We won't tolerate lying at LSU, not in our dignified fan base. Liars are NOT WELCOME!! By the way, you think we can get Saban? I hope so."
Posted on 11/22/09 at 1:10 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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No, when the refs signaled for the clock to start, poof, the game was over--before the snap
if jj knew what to do before the play, there was plenty of time to run a play. everyone on offense was ready except jj because he didn't know what to do.
Posted on 11/22/09 at 1:50 pm to Stevo
Facts
1. The loss was due to poor clock management BEFORE the hail mary.
2. There could still have been a miracle win, but that chance was ruined, possibly due to an innocent mistake by assistants.
3. After the catch, Miles did not call for a spike, but his motions to the ref that TT was down with possession could have been misinterpreted by other coaches as a call for a spike, just as it was misinterpreted by many here.
4. Miles expected the field goal team to be getting onto the field as soon as the chains were being moved. When he saw nothing happening, he immediately called for the kick with his motions and through his headset, but it was already too late, and JJ was about to spike the ball.
My Thoughts:
I think Miles knew exactly where we were at all times. He thought the last timeout had been called quickly, but somebody screwed up and let too much time go by. Still, he knows it's his bad.
During that timeout, they planned the next play, in case they got the first but not the TD. With time, JJ would spike and buy time for the field goal unit. Without time, the field goal team would try to get out quickly and get the kick off.
But then, after the hail mary, Les ran out to make sure the refs did not award possession to Ole Miss (and the chains were being moved).
Then, Miles turned back to the sideline, saw JJ still on the field, and made his last-ditch efforts to clearly call for the kick with his leg motions (while also probably screaming at assistants through his headset that there was no time for a spike).
At that point, after the first precious seconds had been wasted, Miles had to be a little shocked that the kicking team was not in, and he also knew there was little hope for getting the field goal off, unless the refs delayed starting the clock.
The whole episode was certainly a clusterfrick, but I do not think Les ever called for a spike. Someone on the sideline did that, probably the signal caller, as JJ said, and he may have done that because he misinterpreted Les' arm motions to the ref about the TT catch.
In ten seconds or so, amidst such action on the field, questionable possession after the catch, and the chains being moved, the wrong call was relayed to JJ, possibly because the head coach's actions toward the refs were misinterpreted.
It was likely no more than an unfortunate mistake in the heat of battle, with time running out.
But that unforced error at the end would never have occurred if the final timeout had been called quickly.
I believe Les was honest when he said he did not understand how the spike was called.
Afterward, all I saw Coach Miles do was take full responsibility. But it was obvious to me that he was completely surprised by the unexpected spike call, which effectively destroyed any chance of a winning field goal at the end.
I also suspect he may have been erroneously informed that the crucial last timeout had been called, when it had not, which cost us the precious additional seconds we needed to win the game.
Les Miles is an honorable man of high integrity.
I personally also believe he is a great football coach for LSU, and I am not interested in any other coach leading our program at this time.
I expect great improvement next year, for both players and coaches (some new). JJ is gonna be a great QB, and I think we may again have a chance to contend for the whole enchilada.
It is every fan's absolute right to question any aspect of his coaching, but no LSU fan has any reason, thus far in his tenure here, to question the character and integrity of Coach Les Miles.
Just my 2 cents.
1. The loss was due to poor clock management BEFORE the hail mary.
2. There could still have been a miracle win, but that chance was ruined, possibly due to an innocent mistake by assistants.
3. After the catch, Miles did not call for a spike, but his motions to the ref that TT was down with possession could have been misinterpreted by other coaches as a call for a spike, just as it was misinterpreted by many here.
4. Miles expected the field goal team to be getting onto the field as soon as the chains were being moved. When he saw nothing happening, he immediately called for the kick with his motions and through his headset, but it was already too late, and JJ was about to spike the ball.
My Thoughts:
I think Miles knew exactly where we were at all times. He thought the last timeout had been called quickly, but somebody screwed up and let too much time go by. Still, he knows it's his bad.
During that timeout, they planned the next play, in case they got the first but not the TD. With time, JJ would spike and buy time for the field goal unit. Without time, the field goal team would try to get out quickly and get the kick off.
But then, after the hail mary, Les ran out to make sure the refs did not award possession to Ole Miss (and the chains were being moved).
Then, Miles turned back to the sideline, saw JJ still on the field, and made his last-ditch efforts to clearly call for the kick with his leg motions (while also probably screaming at assistants through his headset that there was no time for a spike).
At that point, after the first precious seconds had been wasted, Miles had to be a little shocked that the kicking team was not in, and he also knew there was little hope for getting the field goal off, unless the refs delayed starting the clock.
The whole episode was certainly a clusterfrick, but I do not think Les ever called for a spike. Someone on the sideline did that, probably the signal caller, as JJ said, and he may have done that because he misinterpreted Les' arm motions to the ref about the TT catch.
In ten seconds or so, amidst such action on the field, questionable possession after the catch, and the chains being moved, the wrong call was relayed to JJ, possibly because the head coach's actions toward the refs were misinterpreted.
It was likely no more than an unfortunate mistake in the heat of battle, with time running out.
But that unforced error at the end would never have occurred if the final timeout had been called quickly.
I believe Les was honest when he said he did not understand how the spike was called.
Afterward, all I saw Coach Miles do was take full responsibility. But it was obvious to me that he was completely surprised by the unexpected spike call, which effectively destroyed any chance of a winning field goal at the end.
I also suspect he may have been erroneously informed that the crucial last timeout had been called, when it had not, which cost us the precious additional seconds we needed to win the game.
Les Miles is an honorable man of high integrity.
I personally also believe he is a great football coach for LSU, and I am not interested in any other coach leading our program at this time.
I expect great improvement next year, for both players and coaches (some new). JJ is gonna be a great QB, and I think we may again have a chance to contend for the whole enchilada.
It is every fan's absolute right to question any aspect of his coaching, but no LSU fan has any reason, thus far in his tenure here, to question the character and integrity of Coach Les Miles.
Just my 2 cents.
Posted on 11/22/09 at 1:55 pm to purple passion
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Miles expected the field goal team to be getting onto the field as soon as the chains were being moved. When he saw nothing happening, he immediately called for the kick with his motions and through his headset, but it was already too late, and JJ was about to spike the ball.
Miles expected a TD or incomplete pass. that is all. end of story.
Posted on 11/22/09 at 1:56 pm to RobbBobb
1. As the ball was caught and the chains began to move, Miles is running to the line of scrimmage. He is clearly cupping his hand in a "C" which implies holding a football. He is motioning to throw the ball in a downward motion to the ground. This is called spiking. He even mouths the words. He does this 6 times.
2. 27 seconds later, as Jefferson is behind the offensive line, and looking at the coaches for reassurance, Miles is running down the sideline, with his back to the play, kicking like the guitarist from ACDC. If this means kick the ball, fine, but we don't really know. He has already called the "spike." We can't really tell what the kicking of the leg means because Les is not facing the camera...or the play!
2. 27 seconds later, as Jefferson is behind the offensive line, and looking at the coaches for reassurance, Miles is running down the sideline, with his back to the play, kicking like the guitarist from ACDC. If this means kick the ball, fine, but we don't really know. He has already called the "spike." We can't really tell what the kicking of the leg means because Les is not facing the camera...or the play!
Posted on 11/22/09 at 1:57 pm to LSUTANGERINE
This is my fav. msg. board, our arkansas boards are mostly gay.
LSU's biggest issue was wasting the time trying to get a TO. There was one second left, no way the FG unit was going to be out there and ready when the chains were reset, chains reset clock starts one tick, game over. ya'all would have been LUCKY to even get a play off, the refs lagged arse to give ya'all a chance and ya messed up their gift!
Woo Pig, wish I could be in BR sat. night, I'd end up in jail for sure
LSU's biggest issue was wasting the time trying to get a TO. There was one second left, no way the FG unit was going to be out there and ready when the chains were reset, chains reset clock starts one tick, game over. ya'all would have been LUCKY to even get a play off, the refs lagged arse to give ya'all a chance and ya messed up their gift!
Woo Pig, wish I could be in BR sat. night, I'd end up in jail for sure
Posted on 11/22/09 at 2:08 pm to RobbBobb
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He can be called out a lot tonight, but not for the spike. That was my only point
It's pretty clear after reviewing all of this and watching the video that he was saying "he was down."
That said, the game management at the end was atrocious, but he did not call for the spike, at least not in that video that we are seeing.
Posted on 11/22/09 at 2:09 pm to Sports2
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I'm back in the hotel now, you can interpret my video however you like. I was at the game, about 50 yards from the coaches. I don't know where you saw the game from.
But feel free to name call all you like, if it helps you sleep at night.
That was pretty crappy of yall to say what you did on the air, given that it was not true, as we all obviously see now. With all due respect, you are suppose to report the news, not make stuff up.
This post was edited on 11/22/09 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 11/22/09 at 6:51 pm to RobbBobb
Either he was calling for Jefferson to spike the ball or maybe the Tiger Pep Band was playing Neck and he was dancing to the music LOL. CLM does not manage time well. He has done similar things throughout his tenure at LSU. A smart coach would have had the field goal team ready to run on the field incase the ball didn't make it to the endzone and we had a chance for a field goal. But it was lost on his time management. We are the laughin stock of college football. This will be used big time against us in recruiting.
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