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re: Miles and Cam better not let these guys down.

Posted on 1/10/16 at 9:27 am to
Posted by chilge1
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 1/10/16 at 9:27 am to
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You dont know this with even a little bit of certainty because you cant prove it, and all it does it lump you in the same category as Bee, rickdaddy, and balls.


Get your head out of the sand. Back in November the board was rampant with posters that wanted LSU to tank for the rest of the season to usher in a coaching change. The only time that wasn't the case was for the aTm game when people thought that it might be the last game Les coached in an LSU uniform.

To say anything else is disingenuous.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465371 posts
Posted on 1/10/16 at 9:29 am to
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there are posters on this site that would rather see Miles lose than LSU win. There were posters that were hoping we lost to A&M and the bowl game because it may help getting him fired.

let's be clear

that loss (or win, for that matter) had almost 0 value so it's not like they were wishing for something terrible for LSU

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Those people don't love LSU...they hate Les Miles...which is fricking ridiculous. He's just a goddamn football coach.

hate is a strong word. and they dislike Miles b/c he's shown the past few years that he isn't putting a quality team out there. if the people didn't love LSU, they wouldn't care about the mediocrity that our program faces
Posted by tubucoco
las vegas, nevada
Member since Oct 2007
32994 posts
Posted on 1/10/16 at 9:32 am to
I tell you what, with all these top receivers they keep on bringing in despite that anemic offense. They really need to start passing the frickin ball or else.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 1/10/16 at 9:40 am to
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Yes I did...and neither of them could hold Miles' jock when it comes to coaching and literally any aspect related to coaching


Irrelevant. They were LSU's coach and you bitched about them. Did your bitching fix anything?

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But I supported both of them as long as they were on the sideline because if they failed than LSU failed.
Wait. So which the frick is it? Did you bitch about them or did you support them?

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I've never in my life wanted LSU to lose in any sport
Good. Neither do I.

Only tards like you think bitching about a coach means we WANT him to lose so we can be proven right. Did you WANT Hallman to lose so you could be proven right?

Oh.....wait. That's right. In THIS response, you BOTH said you DID bitch about them and then that you didn't. You can't even be honest with yourself.
Posted by Fratigerguy
Member since Jan 2014
4913 posts
Posted on 1/10/16 at 9:44 am to
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let's be clear

that loss (or win, for that matter) had almost 0 value so it's not like they were wishing for something terrible for LSU



Holy frick. Way to go out and put in print that you're an idiot. Wins or losses for a team in SEC play or in a bowl game have almost 0 value. Thank God the majority of your 300k posts are not in here. This much stupidity would shut the board down.

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he's shown the past few years that he isn't putting a quality team out there


What defines quality? Just out of curiosity...what your definition is. I'm not saying that I disagree with the statement but just wondering. Is it top 10? National championship game attendees?
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 1/10/16 at 9:45 am to
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Do you have any idea how hopelessly stupid this statement makes you sound? It is so old and tired...and cant be proven.


This is because asses like him are basically treating this like a political debate where someone has to be a "winner" and as such, he assumes that we would rather be right than have LSU win. This causes him to falsely assume that when Miles shits the bed and fans point it out, the fans are "happy" to have the opportunity to point it out.

Of course, this is an awesome construct for asses like him because basically, it means ANY complaints after a poor showing "proves" that we are "happy" LSU lost. In that stupid fricking way of thinking, there can be ZERO complaints.
Posted by Fratigerguy
Member since Jan 2014
4913 posts
Posted on 1/10/16 at 9:45 am to
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If we have a good season and make the SECCG, I will be consider it a perfectly good season.


Well this is just bullshite.

Your mindless rants after 1/9 were proof of this.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 1/10/16 at 9:51 am to
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Get your head out of the sand. Back in November the board was rampant with posters that wanted LSU to tank for the rest of the season to usher in a coaching change


I'm not going to argue the rampant part, but you pumpers really ought to take a moment to realize that we aren't on "teams" here. Just because some other person who is negative on Miles hoped we tank doesn't mean every person who is negative on Miles hoped we tanked.

But let's get to brass tacks here and be honest. At the end of the Hallman era, if you had a bad feeling that winning our last game of his last year would have saved his job, are you telling me that at least part of you wouldn't have worried about that?

I mean cmon, we do have to live in the real world here. But when fricktards start saying I'm not a real fan because I don't like Miles, they're just full of shite. I've been a non-stop, through the worst of seasons, fan of LSU for as long as I've known LSU football existed. No matter where I've moved in my life, no matter how bad.

I would've been the guy wearing LSU shite during the height of the Hallman era. And I wasn't even in Louisiana! Miles will have been gone from LSU for 20 fricking years and I will STILL be an LSU fan.

This whole, "real fans" bull shite is easily the most annoying thing on this fricking board.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 1/10/16 at 9:54 am to
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Well this is just bullshite.

Your mindless rants after 1/9 were proof of this.


That was a very good season.

And, Miles COMPLETELY shite the bed on 1/9.

Both can be and most certainly ARE true.

Again, you tards think ANY critique is not allowed apparently.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465371 posts
Posted on 1/10/16 at 9:56 am to
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Holy frick. Way to go out and put in print that you're an idiot.



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Wins or losses for a team in SEC play or in a bowl game have almost 0 value.

well we had already qualified for a bowl, and it was going to be a shitty bowl, so the only value is the extra practice we get

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Thank God the majority of your 300k posts are not in here. This much stupidity would shut the board down.



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What defines quality? Just out of curiosity...what your definition is. I'm not saying that I disagree with the statement but just wondering. Is it top 10? National championship game attendees?

winning the conference and challenging for national titles. not finishing 3rd (or worse) in our division
Posted by Fratigerguy
Member since Jan 2014
4913 posts
Posted on 1/10/16 at 9:57 am to
And yet, your rants were how miles had fricked up at least half the season, and chavis is was the only reason we were good, Miles was a despicable human being, etc etc.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 1/10/16 at 9:58 am to
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winning the conference and challenging for national titles. not finishing 3rd (or worse) in our division



And, not finishing outside the top 50 in passing more often than not. While finishing outside the top 90 nearly half the time.

I mean shite, that's just ridiculous.
Posted by Fratigerguy
Member since Jan 2014
4913 posts
Posted on 1/10/16 at 10:02 am to
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well we had already qualified for a bowl, and it was going to be a shitty bowl, so the only value is the extra practice we get



So, if we are not contending for a national title, a 6-6 (possibly even 5-7 this year) record is no different than a 9-3 one? It doesn't affect recruiting, expectations, fan loyalty, attendance, player moral, etc? Interesting. I'll have to keep that in mind...once we are bowl eligible, if not in NC contention, the remaining games have zero relevance.

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winning the conference and challenging for national titles. not finishing 3rd (or worse) in our division



Got it. Non-SEC championship teams are non-quality teams.
Posted by zsav77
Member since Oct 2011
6257 posts
Posted on 1/10/16 at 10:03 am to
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Just because some other person who is negative on Miles hoped we tank doesn't mean every person who is negative on Miles hoped we tanked


There are a select few Miles defenders whose primary ammo is sweeping broad generalizations about anyone who has any critique on Miles... There is no middle ground for them.

"Rampant". Other than in game threads, in the heat of the moment type situations, only a few posters wanted LSU to lose to get rid of Miles. Those aren't real fans. The overly dramatic would use rampant to describe that.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 1/10/16 at 10:07 am to
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There are a select few Miles defenders whose primary ammo is sweeping broad generalizations about anyone who has any critique on Miles... There is no middle ground for them.


What's really funny is that they seem genuinely pissed if they come on this board and do not find people bitching.

After the bowl game, there must've been 20 threads started by these dudes basically begging for someone to bitch about it. It was comical.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465371 posts
Posted on 1/10/16 at 10:08 am to
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So, if we are not contending for a national title, a 6-6 (possibly even 5-7 this year) record is no different than a 9-3 one?

basically. sometimes a bad year is good b/c those are cleansing and don't let principals rest on their laurels

i don't think it's a coincidence that the threat of getting fired seems to have lit a fire under miles for the first time in 5-6 years

but losing 3 games and 5 games is the same thing to me

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Got it. Non-SEC championship teams are non-quality teams.

i mean, we're not arkansas. if you want to rest on those minimal expectations then i question your status as a fan
This post was edited on 1/10/16 at 10:09 am
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 1/10/16 at 10:12 am to
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So, if we are not contending for a national title, a 6-6 (possibly even 5-7 this year) record is no different than a 9-3 one? It doesn't affect recruiting, expectations, fan loyalty, attendance, player moral, etc? Interesting. I'll have to keep that in mind...once we are bowl eligible, if not in NC contention, the remaining games have zero relevance.


In Dinardo's final year, I was on a board very similar to this one. And don't you be fooled. There were a shite ton of "pumpers" then too. It wasn't until LATE in that season that they finally bailed but even then, they bitched about those of us that wanted Dinardo gone being "happy" we lost games.

Those were different times for LSU football. I can guarantee you that if Dinardo had managed to win 3 more games than he did, he would not have been fired that last year.

Going back further.

If Mike Archer would have won even 1 more game his final year, he probably would have stayed. And hell, if you think about it, a "pumper" from his final year would have been proven "right" cause well, it DID get a lot worse after we fired him.
Posted by Fratigerguy
Member since Jan 2014
4913 posts
Posted on 1/10/16 at 10:12 am to
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And, not finishing outside the top 50 in passing more often than not. While finishing outside the top 90 nearly half the time.

I mean shite, that's just ridiculous.


So, regardless of record, your concern is with total yardage passing stats. Not with efficiency, yards per attempt, where the overall offense ranks. Total yardage passing rank. Got that one marked down too.

It's great that you guys will put your main concerns out there so we can keep a detailed list of what is important.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
465371 posts
Posted on 1/10/16 at 10:14 am to
i'm not going to pick a certain ranking but we're not going to win shite unless we get our total passing yardage into the top half of the NCAA
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 1/10/16 at 10:17 am to
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So, regardless of record, your concern is with total yardage passing stats. Not with efficiency, yards per attempt, where the overall offense ranks. Total yardage passing rank. Got that one marked down too.


LOL. OK.

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It's great that you guys will put your main concerns out there so we can keep a detailed list of what is important.

It's great that guys like you apparently have exactly ONE thing you worry about........"defend Miles".

You're right. LSU's passing offense is a model of success. The rest of the nation's coaches should be beating Miles' door down to try and match his "efficiency".
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