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re: Mediocre is 2 - 9 versus ranked teams over the last 2.5+ seasons
Posted on 10/29/10 at 12:15 am to OBUDan
Posted on 10/29/10 at 12:15 am to OBUDan
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Admit I was wrong about what?
c'mon Dan, please don't be stupid.
ETA: just don't worry about it. Go on believing that coaching isn't major key factor in preparing a team for a football game or season. Please devalue the head coach position all you want.
Those of us that have played college ball and plenty of organized sports know otherwise, because we've been there. Those of us that actually get to have words with some of the players know differently. And those of us with a little common sense know differently. There is no internet link I can give you to common sense. You either have it or you don't, and right now....for whatever reason, you've been severely lacking in that dept. for the last few posts.
That's a shame really.
This post was edited on 10/29/10 at 12:18 am
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Posted on 10/29/10 at 12:17 am to jdrumdog
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A lot of people are scared of the unknown if we fire him or let him go. A lot of people think that what we have is a great unknown already.
That in itself is pretty polarizing.
It is.
Is there a better available coach for LSU at season's end?
Sure, there probably is a handful of guys. 5-7 that would be deserving of interviews.
I guess I'm just trying to be patient in the whole deal. We had a shitty 08 and an average at best 09. But we're 7-1 and I think our only loss is to the best team in the country.
So could we lose to Bama and Ole Miss and Arkansas? Sure. That would be pretty bad failure.
Could we beat them all? That would be pretty good success.
Can we split those games? That's the most likely outcome... and then it's just
Posted on 10/29/10 at 12:17 am to OBUDan
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You can revise history all you want, but there was maybe a 2% group of people who wanted Lee last season, and those guys are just tired Lee apologists.
JJ is the same QB he always has been. Miles protected him with a dumbed down offense, and we've become mediocre due to it. Us apologists have called it all along.
Had JLee gone in during the GaTech blowout, the heat would have been less, giving him a fair shot last yr
Posted on 10/29/10 at 12:19 am to jdrumdog
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c'mon Dan, please don't be stupid.
Admit I was wrong about what?
Here's what I've said that drew contention:
-Coaching is overrated as it is commonly perceived.
Your opinion is that it isn't. My opinion is that it is.
I don't see what I need to admit wrong about here.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 12:19 am to OBUDan
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Coaching is THE most overrated aspect of college football in the way it is commonly perceived.
Leadership, which is probably the most important factor in coaching, can never be overrated.
Between the lines, talent and desire rules over everything else.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 12:19 am to OBUDan
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Can we split those games? That's the most likely outcome... and then it's just
you don't understand.....and you said it yourself, it's a mystery to know what's going on with Les Miles. Hard to say that's the most likely scenario with inconsistency at the head coaching position.
This post was edited on 10/29/10 at 12:21 am
Posted on 10/29/10 at 12:19 am to RobbBobb
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JJ is the same QB he always has been.
JJ had better stats last year but couldn't read a defense. Not sure either QB can. LSU needs a QB coach in the worst way (Which of course, isn't in any way Les Miles fault.)*
*For OBUDan
Posted on 10/29/10 at 12:20 am to OBUDan
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Coaching is overrated as it is commonly perceived.
And...how is it commonly perceived Dan? You're going to see here in a minute that you're wrong about this, especially if you want to go down that whole opinion route of defense.
This post was edited on 10/29/10 at 12:22 am
Posted on 10/29/10 at 12:21 am to RobbBobb
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JJ is the same QB he always has been. Miles protected him with a dumbed down offense, and we've become mediocre due to it. Us apologists have called it all along.
Had JLee gone in during the GaTech blowout, the heat would have been less, giving him a fair shot last yr
JJ has been a wasteland this year in most instances, there's no denying that.
But I'm not sure Lee is markedly better. He played his arse off against Florida, played average against Tennessee and terrible against Auburn.
He still throws off his back foot. He still bails on the pocket at the first sign of pressure.
I don't blame Lee for this... no one has taught him any better. Just like no one has taught JJ any better than to stop holding the ball for 15 seconds or to read a damn route progression. Neither guy has been coached well, why should I expect either one to go out there and play well.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 12:22 am to RogerTheShrubber
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JJ had better stats last year but couldn't read a defense. Not sure either QB can. LSU needs a QB coach in the worst way (Which of course, isn't in any way Les Miles fault.)*
*For OBUDan
See we don't disagree on this at all.
Miles made a mistake hiring Ensminger rather than a pure QB coach.
I think he wanted Crowton gone last year but something happened that didn't let him do it. What that something is... I don't know...
Posted on 10/29/10 at 12:23 am to OBUDan
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But I'm not sure Lee is markedly better. He played his arse off against Florida, played average against Tennessee and terrible against Auburn.
You would have to be ignoring JJ's play to make a statement like this.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 12:24 am to RogerTheShrubber
you'd also have to ignore a pretty telling injury as well.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 12:25 am to OBUDan
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. Neither guy has been coached well, why should I expect either one to go out there and play well.
Players fault or coaches fault?
Just curious, since we appear to be going circular here. Looks like we may finally be getting somewhere.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 12:27 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Players fault or coaches fault?
Coaching is the most overrated aspect of football, AS IT IS COMMONLY PERCEIVED.
ahem.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 12:29 am to jdrumdog
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And...how is it commonly perceived Dan?
Coaches are ALWAYS judged on wins and losses. There's probably only 10-15% of people who give a shite about the process regardless of wins and losses.
From 2005-2007 most people didn't give a good god damn about us winning close games or whatever.. because we won.. a lot.
Now in 2008, we start losing more than we are happy with. 2009 we show improvement (sort of) but still lose more than we'd like.
People start to bitch. Then they pile on at places like here and they can steamroll a coach because one guy says something and another guy tells his coworker and then blah blah blah, like telephone... most of it unsubstantiated.
Then people who haven't the slightest idea what they are talking about say we didn't make adjustments, we didn't play the right guys etc. etc.
Sure, over the past two years, the clock management has been bungled. I wish, like you, that Les would do a better job of letting his staff that this is completely fricking unacceptable. I think a majority of it has to do with communication issues with GC.
I'm veering off course, but my point is, most people don't know what coaching is... all they care about is wins and losses. Les has made plenty mistakes over the past two years. So have dozens and dozens of other coaches. It's something that happens.
But most people don't consider all the shite that goes into running a great program: selling tickets, recruiting, appeasing boosters, managing egos, graduating players etc. etc. etc.
To me... ALL of that is coaching. Not just knowing when to call a timeout and when to clock the ball.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 12:31 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Players fault or coaches fault?
Just curious, since we appear to be going circular here. Looks like we may finally be getting somewhere.
That's a hard question to answer and one Powerman and some others have posited.
Do Lee and JJ suck because, well, they just suck?
Or, do Lee and JJ suck because they haven't been taught properly?
My honest opinion is that they haven't been taught properly. I think both offer something and could be solid players. I think the lack of a QB coach (Miles fault) and lack of a solid OC (Crowton retained... make of that what you will) has greatly stunted both of their growths.
But it's something that can be fixed, no?
Or do you believe the other way, that both of them suck?
Posted on 10/29/10 at 12:31 am to OBUDan
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To me... ALL of that is coaching. Not just knowing when to call a timeout and when to clock the ball.
Good, now we're getting somewhere.
Now, is that the common perception? Or is that your perception on what "coaching" is?
Posted on 10/29/10 at 12:32 am to RogerTheShrubber
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You would have to be ignoring JJ's play to make a statement like this.
Na, JJ played shitty in most nearly every game.
Doesn't affect Lee's play one way or the other though.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 12:33 am to jdrumdog
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Good, now we're getting somewhere.
Now, is that the common perception? Or is that your perception on what "coaching" is?
I've been drinking, I guess I'm slow tonight.
I thought I explained "the common perception"?
PS: I'm going out for a smoke, but I'll be back to continue to indulge you two so you can mock me more.
Posted on 10/29/10 at 12:34 am to OBUDan
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My honest opinion is that they haven't been taught properly. I think both offer something and could be solid players. I think the lack of a QB coach (Miles fault) and lack of a solid OC (Crowton retained... make of that what you will) has greatly stunted both of their growths.
So it is Miles fault. Congrats.
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