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re: McMahon a good coach, just not a good fit for LSU
Posted on 2/11/25 at 2:53 pm to Madking
Posted on 2/11/25 at 2:53 pm to Madking
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I think if you go through the rosters you’ll find LSU is middle of the pack in talent, both recruiting rankings and veteran transfer production
I don't put any real stock into recruiting rankings. They are just guesses and are wrong more often than right after you get through the top 5 or 10 obvious NBA prospects every year.
But as to transfers, that's my point. McMahon has done a terrible job of selecting mid major guys who will translate. I don't think they suddenly forget how to play basketball at a high level solely because McMahon's lack of coaching skill. I think McMahon just doesn't know how to pick and choose which productive mid major guys will translate to productive SEC type players.
Like I don't care how much Sears scored at fricking UT Martin. Did no one turn on the tape and think, hmmm maybe an undersized, shoot first, defensive liability, point guard with ball security issues won't work as a top 2 option in the SEC.
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Posted on 2/11/25 at 3:10 pm to The Shaqtus
Well until someone provides an alternate standard you can’t dismiss them just because of McMahon. This wasn’t ever a talking point before he arrived and nobody does this when talking about other teams. I mean Arkansas is loaded with blue chip guys who will play in the NBA and nobody questions their rankings, they just say Cal is a bum. As far as the transfers we’ve had
KJ- 17.7ppg, 7.7rebs
Carter- 17.0ppg
Cook- 15.6ppg
Jordan Wright- 15.1ppg
Sears- 13.9ppg
And a host of others ranging from 8-11 ppg in rotational, supporting roles.
KJ- 17.7ppg, 7.7rebs
Carter- 17.0ppg
Cook- 15.6ppg
Jordan Wright- 15.1ppg
Sears- 13.9ppg
And a host of others ranging from 8-11 ppg in rotational, supporting roles.
This post was edited on 2/11/25 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 2/11/25 at 3:21 pm to The Shaqtus
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Like I don't care how much Sears scored at fricking UT Martin. Did no one turn on the tape and think, hmmm maybe an undersized, shoot first, defensive liability, point guard with ball security issues won't work as a top 2 option in the SEC
You could have said the same thing about Jason Edwards at Vanderbilt. He was an undersized high volume shooter with a worse asst/turnover ratio at North Texas than sears had at UT Martin. Sears had better production in just about every category. Yet, at Vandy Edwards is the best player on a winning team in year 1. A team that only returned 2 players from last season (neither being high production players). A team that is one of the best in the nation in terms of fewest TOs. A team that has been pretty efficient on offense, and one that already has 5 SEC wins and will at least be in the conversation for a NCAA bid (I guess if year 1 for the new HC "counted").
Juxtapose that with Sears and LSU. You're using him as an example of how this team has "no talent" when, in reality, this LSU team is at least as talented as Vanderbilt's roster. Probably more. Yet one guy (Edwards) is thriving while another (Sears) is alternating starts .
I feel like James Carville...."It's the coaching, stupid!"
This post was edited on 2/11/25 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 2/11/25 at 3:44 pm to Madking
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Well until someone provides an alternate standard
The alternate standard is actually watching those players play instead of relying on a guy in his mother's basement who makes a ranking based off of a host of 3 minute AAU highlight clips. Using rankings that were made when these guys were 16 makes zero sense when we have actual game film at the college level available. I mean hell, Bronny fricking James was a 5 star a couple years ago, and the favorite for NPOTY this year wasn't even a top 450 player coming out of high school.
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you can’t dismiss them just because of McMahon.
You're projecting your hatred for McMahon and anyone who says anything you perceive as a defense of him, onto me. See my previous post where I expressly stated this was not a McMahon excuse, but rather an issue that is solely McMahon's fault.
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I mean Arkansas is loaded with blue chip guys who will play in the NBA and nobody questions their rankings, they just say Cal is a bum.
Huh? Fland is the only lock to make the NBA from the pigs, and arky's run actually directly coincides with him being hurt. I could see a team maybe taking a 2nd rounder on Thierro but he's old. Maybe Ivisic but definitely not for another 2 or 3 years. Wagner has been overrated since HS. Cal does suck, but this is the worst team he's had that I can remember.
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KJ- 17.7ppg, 7.7rebs
Carter- 17.0ppg
Cook- 15.6ppg
Jordan Wright- 15.1ppg
Sears- 13.9ppg
And a host of others ranging from 8-11 ppg in rotational, supporting roles.
Yea I get that, but the point still stands. There are hundreds of guys who put up those type of numbers in mid major conferences every year, yet not all of them get called up to play with the big boys. My entire point is that McMahon can't differentiate between the two.
Posted on 2/11/25 at 4:07 pm to Alt26
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You could have said the same thing about Jason Edwards at Vanderbilt. He was an undersized high volume shooter with a worse asst/turnover ratio at North Texas than sears had at UT Martin. Sears had better production in just about every category. Yet, at Vandy Edwards is the best player on a winning team in year 1.
UT Martin and the OVC is not an apples to apples comparison to North Texas and the AAC. We saw what an essentially OVC all star team could do in the SEC here a couple of years ago and that didn't turn out particularly well.
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You're using him as an example of how this team has "no talent" when, in reality, this LSU team is at least as talented as Vanderbilt's roster. Probably more.
I literally said this in a previous post.
Once again, my whole point being, I don't think you can honestly watch this team and think that this is a roster capable of being top half in the SEC. But that is McMahon’s fault. Again, not saying McMahon is some basketball rainman either. But, The amount of times I've seen Sears make high school level mistakes taking care of the basketball simply cannot be pinned solely on coaching.
Posted on 2/11/25 at 4:25 pm to homemadeshine
He's truthfully not a very good coach and basically road the coattails of Ja Morant to get a better job. He doesn't have an eye for talent, can't make in game adjustments, and doesn't have a feel for the game. Can't wait until he is gone so we can have hope again.
Posted on 2/11/25 at 5:21 pm to The Shaqtus
Production doesn’t necessarily equal talent. I don’t hate McMahon but when you warp standards specifically to excuse one guy you don’t have standards at all. If you think nerds in some basement determine recruiting rankings you’re just wrong. Fland is not the only Arkansas player that will play in the NBA. Wagner, Ivisic, Brazile and Knox are all projected draft picks. And again you can keep saying McMahon has picked the wrong mid major guys but those players all produced in the SEC. I find it strange that for one topic you believe production = talent but for another it doesn’t just because that production doesn’t produce wins. You’re right over the target but for some reason you refuse to see it.
BTW Bronny wasn’t a 5* and was never predicted to be the NPOTY. He wasn’t even on any top 25 or AA lists I ever saw.
BTW Bronny wasn’t a 5* and was never predicted to be the NPOTY. He wasn’t even on any top 25 or AA lists I ever saw.
This post was edited on 2/11/25 at 5:31 pm
Posted on 2/11/25 at 5:28 pm to homemadeshine
He will be fine when he gets better players
Posted on 2/11/25 at 5:34 pm to Jest a game
quote:So, never. Gotcha.
He will be fine when he gets better players
Posted on 2/11/25 at 5:44 pm to Vincenzo Pantangelli
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He's truthfully not a very good coach and basically road the coattails of Ja Morant to get a better job. He doesn't have an eye for talent, can't make in game adjustments, and doesn't have a feel for the game. Can't wait until he is gone so we can have hope again.
I hear what you're saying and I agree with most of it, except that I believe he's a good coach. Yes, did he ride the success of Morant to be a better job, but that's doesn't make him a bad coach. We have to remember he took over after that dirtbag, used car salesman WW, who was a complete embarrassment in terms of how he represented LSU by basically giving the middle finger to his bosses at LSU and the NCAA. Yes, I agree the NCAA is a complete joke, but there is a way you handle situations and WW was simply a clown.
We have to remember the entire roster left and no big time coaches or players were knocking down LSU's door to come here. McMahon started from scratch and it just never got off the ground and he just wasn't a good fit for our program. We needed someone to come in that was on fire and was going to promote the program on tv, radio and the internet and show LSU fans he was there to bring the program back. Simply put, McMahon isn't that guy, although I still think he's a decent coach and a super, nice guy. We needed someone to come in and reignite this program, but instead we hired a guy that was the equivalent of bringing a box of sparklers to a fireworks show and that's not going to cut it at LSU!
Posted on 2/11/25 at 5:46 pm to Jest a game
quote:it's the biggest part of his job to get better players. He's in year 3.
He will be fine when he gets better players
How long do you want to give him?
Posted on 2/11/25 at 5:47 pm to drizztiger
If people really believe talent automatically = winning, especially in this league, then they just haven’t watched basketball for the last 50 years. Coach Cal at Kentucky basically lapped the field 3x over in NBA talent at Kentucky for 15 years and has 1 title. How is that possible? How did he only win 4 SEC titles? How did he lose to LSU twice in the last 2 seasons since he’s got an NBA roster and we apparently have class C HS players? This is just another double standard added to the mountain of others that have been created to excuse this mess at LSU.
Posted on 2/11/25 at 5:50 pm to homemadeshine
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Posted on 2/11/25 at 5:51 pm to homemadeshine
Ok but the entire roster didn’t leave and if you couldn’t get the coach for your future what you do is go get a hard nosed culture type guy from anywhere. You give him a 3 year deal, bring in what talent you can, it doesn’t matter if it’s that good and have the guy instill quality basketball at the program. If somehow he can coach his way up then you’ve struck gold. If he fails, ok he was a bridge guy anyway, you didn’t give him a long deal and you make a change. It’s a win/win but what you don’t do is hire some substitute teacher like McMahon. We’re now a bottom tier program and the culture is rotten to the core. That’s a lose/lose
Posted on 2/11/25 at 6:14 pm to homemadeshine
Just swap coaches with McNeese
Posted on 2/11/25 at 6:16 pm to Open Your Eyes
quote:You're stealing my Thunder there dude. Yeah, all the MA's are dumb as Luzianner Swamp muck. Dumb and Dysfunctional little Cheerleaders.
You mediocrity lovers are such a stupid bunch.
Posted on 2/11/25 at 6:57 pm to semjase
Mcloser didn't start from scratch 3 players returned his 1st and he was hired before all the players headed for the portal,Vanderbilt had 2 returning players this year with a 1st year coach let's see how they are doing,oh yeah there like 5-5 in the league and 17or18and 5 overall. But poor Mcloser all his players left the cupboard was bare, and by the way Mcloser had a chance to talk to the entire roster 3 years ago and except for 3 players the rest decided to hit the portal,you think after talking to him they said to themselves I'm getting the hell outta here that guy's going to destroy Lsu men's basketball! And look where the team is now 3 year's later in the toilet,a dumpster fire,hot garbage destroyed by that clown who thinks he's a college basketball coach, Mcloser!
Posted on 2/11/25 at 8:14 pm to Madking
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I don’t hate McMahon but when you warp standards specifically to excuse one guy you don’t have standards at all.
I'm not warping any standards and I'm not excusing him. The guy can't coach. I hope they fire him and bring Will Wade back.
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Fland is not the only Arkansas player that will play in the NBA. Wagner, Ivisic, Brazile and Knox are all projected draft picks.
I haven't seen any places projecting Wagner, Brazile, or Knox to get picked, at least this year. I've seen a few mocks with Ivisic towards the bottom of 2nd.
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And again you can keep saying McMahon has picked the wrong mid major guys but those players all produced in the SEC. I find it strange that for one topic you believe production = talent but for another it doesn’t just because that production doesn’t produce wins.
Well yea, not all prodcution is created equal. On really bad teams someone has to make a couple shots, grab a couple rebounds. That's just the nature of the how the game is played. There's really no way to quantify or define "talent" objectively. From my eyes, the guys McMahon has brought in aren't up to standard. No, I don't think any upgrade in NIL funds will change this fact. I also think he can't coach; it's a bad combination.
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You’re right over the target but for some reason you refuse to see it.
I'm not refusing to see anything. McMahon can't coach and the players he's brought in, for the most part, have been subpar. Both can be true.
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BTW Bronny wasn’t a 5* and was never predicted to be the NPOTY.
On3 lists him as a 5 star. 247 has him as a composite 5 star. When referencing NPOTY I was talking about Johni Broome and how he was ranked 400 something out of high school.
Posted on 2/11/25 at 8:30 pm to The Shaqtus
Posted on 2/11/25 at 8:42 pm to Jest a game
quote:..he will bankrupt the whole athletic department by the time that happens…
He will be fine when he gets better players
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