re: McMahon a good coach, just not a good fit for LSU

We had 2 top 15 classes in 3 years. The narrative you took from that guy doesn’t wash.

I think we have to give him another year and some money to recruit with the BIG DAWGS, you can bring Phil Jackson in here he's not going to do nothing with that little budget.

My neighborhood has a pool and his wife doesn't work. Moral of the story, mind your own business, fix your house and stop worrying about others.

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We had 2 top 15 classes in 3 years. The narrative you took from that guy doesn’t wash.

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In trying to absolve McMahon of any responsibility for the poor performances, posters, unwittingly, are spinning themselves into constant logical circles that don't make sense.

We are constantly hearing the contrarian argument/narrative that Wade isn't a good coach. He was just very good at "cheating" and buying players. Well, let's assume that is true. Then the money to buy those blue chip players had to come from from somewhere (I promise, it wasn't out of Wade's pocket, nor his wife's). And it had to be significant enough to out-bid some of the biggest brands in the game. Kentucky, UNC, Arizona, Indiana, etc. The schools that are competing for the most expensive recruits. So if McMahon is no longer getting any money to buy players, where did those donors go? Did they die? Suddenly decide they hate basketball? Move to Lake Charles?

LSU, the athletic dept, is not setting the NIL budget for basketball. If a wealthy donor wants to give LSU basketball $5M to buy players, the athletic dept isn't going to say no. The same donors that funded Wade's player purchases are still there. McMahon just isn't raising the money.

From day 1 Wade knew if you want to compete with the best for players you had to spend the money to get them. It wasn't "legal" at the time, but that was very much the reality/practice. Now it is "legal". Even before his time at LSU McMahon never lived in that world. His coaching career was App St (AC) > UNC Wilmington (AC) > Murray St (AC) > Murray St (HC) > :LSU (HC). He's never fully embraced the paid mercenary practice. That's fine. It's an uncomfortable business. But go coach in the OVC if that is your position. If you want to win big at the major conf. level, you better be a salesman/fundraiser in addition to HC. Even Hubert Davis at North Carolina is figuring out that reality.

The entire argument or arguments hinges on the idea that we haven’t had any talent at all. The standards of talent evaluations that every other program adheres to has been dismissed here for McMahon’s sake although no alternative standard has been offered. The production of our veteran transfers has been ignored for this same reason so when you put all the excuses together you end up with McMahon not having a shred of responsibility for anything and we just need to dump more money into this black hole as the solution. It makes no sense, there are no facts to stand on so like you said, you end up with whack a mole style arguments. One excuse gets debunked, they just ignore it and move to the next then back again when that one is debunked.

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Florida has one of the lowest basketball NIL budgets in the SEC and is winning.

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I also am hard-pressed to believe schools like Vanderbilt and Drake have these massive NIL budgets. Hell, Drake doesn't have a single player on the roster who previously played for a mid-major program and a significant portion of the roster was playing at a D-II school last year. Yet, they have performed as well (maybe better) vs. major conf. opponents as LSU. Drake has wins over Kansas St, Vanderbilt, and Miami.

Other coaches have been able to win with less expensive rosters. Yet, McMahon evidently needs a payroll just short of the LA Lakers to just have a winning season.

Then again, maybe I'm wrong. The person you are replying to lives next to someone with a pool! Maybe he's J.R. Ewing

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we do nothing well, hang our hat on nothing. It would be one thing if we were a defensive force that had trouble scoring or vice/versa. We lose in a new and unique way each game. We have been awful at turning the ball over for 3 years. Where is the focus on improvement?

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The incredible thing is LSU DID actually improve it's two biggest weaknesses (turnovers and 3 point shooting) vs. Georgia. LSU had a (then) SEC low in turnovers (10) and SEC high in made 3 pointers (12)...and STILL lost by 19!

On Saturday LSU had only 9 turnovers...which was only the third time all season they've had less than 10 in a game. They also had 8 made three pointers, which matched the second highest amount they've made in an SEC game this year....and still lost.

You don't get to a sub .500 (overall)/sub .300 (conf) wining % over the course of nearly 3 seasons by just having bad luck. It's by having an uncanny knack for finding ways to lose.

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The person you are replying to lives next to someone with a pool! Maybe he's J.R. Ewing

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It’s a no win, he’s used this grade school logic twice now.

- We’re not a basketball school.
—- We’re more of a basketball school than most of the SEC.
- Don’t compare us to other schools.

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- We don’t have the NIL money to compete.
—- Florida has less NIL money than we do and are highly competitive.
- Don’t compare us to other schools.


It’s so dumb it’s laughable,

That guy is a moron repeating what another moron said. You couldn’t peel back the layers of stupidity if you had a week to do so.

Weird melt