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re: Max Johnson Heisman Odds 50/1

Posted on 3/31/21 at 12:29 pm to
Posted by MJforPrez
Member since Dec 2020
445 posts
Posted on 3/31/21 at 12:29 pm to
Now if he could only learn how to throw the ball accurately beyond 15 yards, maybe he’ll get to 49/1
Posted by red sox fan 13
Valley Park
Member since Aug 2018
19161 posts
Posted on 3/31/21 at 12:30 pm to
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Brennan will be starter
I'm betting the rant melts harder if Brennan starts over Max compared to if Max starts over Brennan.
Posted by Tigerfan1274
Member since May 2019
4645 posts
Posted on 3/31/21 at 12:30 pm to
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Why would our back-up QB even have odds on winning a Heisman?


He doesn't.
Posted by MJforPrez
Member since Dec 2020
445 posts
Posted on 3/31/21 at 12:32 pm to
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I'm betting the rant melts harder if Brennan starts over Max compared to if Max starts over Brennan.


No question. For a message board who got pissed at Chase for quitting, they sure do love the young kid with 1/4 the arm talent and accuracy, over the guy who had the greatest 3 game start for a QB in LSU history, and who didn’t quit on his team even when he had an injury that set him back 6 months or so.

Rantards indeed.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
35521 posts
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:05 pm to
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No question. For a message board who got pissed at Chase for quitting, they sure do love the young kid with 1/4 the arm talent and accuracy, over the guy who had the greatest 3 game start for a QB in LSU history


And led his team to a 1-2 record in those games. Look, I get it, Brennan had NO help from his defense. But the only one of those three he looked really impressive in was vs. Missouri. That's not to say he shouldn't be the starter, but a 4th year player lighting up teams that went a combined 12-21 probably isn't as impressive as a true freshman going 2-0 in his first two starts against two opponents who went a combined 13-9 on the year. One of those starts, albeit against a bad defense, he threw for 435 (more than Brennan put up in any game) and accounted for 5 TD's in a game where the defense allowed 48 points.

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and who didn’t quit on his team even when he had an injury that set him back 6 months or so


Let's face it. Chase "quit" because he was already assured of being a top 10 or so pick regardless of if he played a snap in 2020. Brennan didn't really have an option to quit. He needs to play to have a chance at being drafted.

Personally I don't really care who the QB is...as long as they are the best player. But while I'm not ready to jump on the hype train to say Johnson has "it" (the same thing said by overreactionary LSU fans about Lee, Jefferson, Jennings, Harris, at points early in their careers) I also don't think Brennan looked some surefire all conference QB in his limited action either.

I think the starting QB decision will come down to two things:

1. Who can grasp the "new" offense the best, and;
2. Do the coaches think Johnson's ability to run gives them a bigger advantage overall even if Brennan might be the better "thrower".
Posted by CleanSlate
Member since Nov 2020
2304 posts
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:08 pm to
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gonna be hard to win the Heisman from the bench


What a dumbass comment! Lemme guess, you think Brennan is better because he has a “stronger arm” which has never been proven, or because he’s an “incredible arm talent”
Posted by CleanSlate
Member since Nov 2020
2304 posts
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:09 pm to
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Brennan will be starter


Not saying he won’t be but you seem certain, why? Based on what?
Posted by HEAVYtiger23
Hammond
Member since Mar 2019
446 posts
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:16 pm to
100 percent agree. We have an incredible qb room going into the next 5 years. I have thought since last years final 2 games that Max showed the most poise and ability to make winning plays out of him and Brennan. Its a very tough break for Brennan who i like and wish nothing but the best for. But Im Guessing: Max wins starting gig and has a very good year, Brennan transfers bc thats whats best for him at this point as he has to give himself a chance to start somewhere. T.J stays this year, but sees that Nuss is next man up and then he transfers next year. Then HOWARD comes in as the next man up. MAX, NUSS, HOWARD are the future. And thats the best 5 or 6 year QB outlook LSU will have had since Ive been watching. The future Is Bright Boys!
Posted by Andychapman13
Member since Jun 2016
2728 posts
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:23 pm to
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MAX, NUSS, HOWARD are the future.

Cannot overstate this! I believe this so much that we’re gonna miss out on Manning bc of it and I don’t mind that given the reason why!
Posted by ThePoo
Work
Member since Jan 2007
61594 posts
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:29 pm to
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And led his team to a 1-2 record in those games. Look, I get it, Brennan had NO help from his defense. But the only one of those three he looked really impressive in was vs. Missouri. That's not to say he shouldn't be the starter, but a 4th year player lighting up teams that went a combined 12-21 probably isn't as impressive as a true freshman going 2-0 in his first two starts against two opponents who went a combined 13-9 on the year. One of those starts, albeit against a bad defense, he threw for 435 (more than Brennan put up in any game) and accounted for 5 TD's in a game where the defense allowed 48 points.
Not only that but if I think there was a pretty clear indication that with johnson at QB there were significantly less sack, a significantly improved run game, and improved time of possession, which are all beneficial to the defense

I can understand the argument for wanting to start either but to think you can look at a couple surface level qb stats and cast Brennan as the hands down no brainer choice to start is just not the right approach
Posted by MJforPrez
Member since Dec 2020
445 posts
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:33 pm to
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What a dumbass comment! Lemme guess, you think Brennan is better because he has a “stronger arm” which has never been proven, or because he’s an “incredible arm talent”


Myles has a cannon. Moron. Max has to jack it up a mile in the air for it to go past 20 yards.

People get so hung up on the games he won not realizing it’s a team sport and this team was both better and not taken seriously towards the end of the season.

Even TJ won. TJ Finley. Yeah. That guy who threw a screen pass 100 mph
Posted by Andychapman13
Member since Jun 2016
2728 posts
Posted on 3/31/21 at 1:57 pm to
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MJforPrez

So you support MJ for prez, but not for starting QB?!?!
Posted by MJforPrez
Member since Dec 2020
445 posts
Posted on 3/31/21 at 2:02 pm to
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So you support MJ for prez, but not for starting QB?!?!


I was drunk and just finished watching the Bulls documentary.

So no.
Posted by LSUstephen17
Houston
Member since Aug 2010
13112 posts
Posted on 3/31/21 at 2:08 pm to
I think Brennan has the edge but I’m feeling a very tough battle between him and Johnson
Posted by El_chantajista
Lafayette Louisiana
Member since Jan 2020
826 posts
Posted on 3/31/21 at 2:37 pm to
He’s starting so he’s got a shot
Posted by Cajun Catfish
Member since May 2016
695 posts
Posted on 3/31/21 at 3:47 pm to
And the same TJ Finley that beat out Max Johnson to start the next 5 games after Brennan got hurt. If Johnson is so good how come he did not beat out Finley and could not beat him out for 5 games until Finley kept throwing the ball to the wrong team. Or we may never have seen Johnson.
Posted by SportsGuyNOLA
New Orleans, LA
Member since May 2014
20733 posts
Posted on 3/31/21 at 3:54 pm to
How can he win the Heisman when he won’t be the starting QB?

Will he play another position?

Or maybe it’s the 2022 Heisman?
Posted by doliss
Northern VA
Member since Sep 2009
1066 posts
Posted on 3/31/21 at 3:57 pm to
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you think Brennan is better because he has a “stronger arm” which has never been proven, or because he’s an “incredible arm talent”


Brennan has better stats for the games he played. He was playing lights out before getting hurt
Posted by doliss
Northern VA
Member since Sep 2009
1066 posts
Posted on 3/31/21 at 4:00 pm to
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I'm betting the rant melts harder if Brennan starts over Max compared to if Max starts over Brennan.


Agree 100%. Love/hate the offseason on here; some good discussions and then the lack of intelligence really shines in others. Remember the melt when we found out the spin doctor was gonna be the starting RB after the 2019 spring game.
This post was edited on 3/31/21 at 4:01 pm
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
42291 posts
Posted on 3/31/21 at 4:01 pm to
I got $20 on Boutte at Draft Kings
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