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re: Matt McMahon coaching record in SEC is 14-40 ( 45-53 overall)
Posted on 10/15/25 at 9:58 am to Shaq4prez
Posted on 10/15/25 at 9:58 am to Shaq4prez
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These LSU basketball threads suck even worse than the program does right now.
It would help if there was something coming from the program worth talking about. It leaves a void to be filled by low quality discussion.
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Posted on 10/15/25 at 10:52 am to BowDownToLSU
Things are looking good though. Got a great roster and recruiting well
Posted on 10/15/25 at 11:03 am to The Pirate King
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The level of program commitment is night and day between the two programs.
Before Golden got the job, Florida was a slightly above average program under Mike White in 7 seasons. Compared to LSU during Wade's tenure, LSU was the better program.
That "commitment" from Florida hied a HC (Golden) at a lower annual salary that what LSU agreed to pay McMahon. On the recruiting/transfer front, McMahon's LSU classes have annually ranked equal, and in some cases better, to Florida's. Yet, the success of the programs have been MASSIVELY different.
Is that because the ranking services have significantly overrated LSU's signing classes (including transfers) and significantly underrated Florida's? Surely if Florida's commitment level was "night and day" compared to LSU it would reflect in the rating of the players each or getting...except is hasn't. Or is it more likely Golden has done a FAR better job at Florida than McMahon at LSU. Billy Donovan's titles in 06 and 07 had zero effect on Florida in 2022
In every conceivable aspect McMahon has been the worst HC in the SEC over the last 3 seasons and among the worst withing all major conf programs. That's not unjustified criticism. That's simply what the actual data (wins/losses, predictive data, etc) reflects.
EDT: If you believe Wade was outbidding the likes of Kanas, Kentucky, North Carolina, Arizona, Indiana, etc for the likes of Ried, Smart, Watford, Thomas, Days, etc, then the money to do so was coming from somewhere. And it wasn't Wade's (or his Wife's) personal checking account. Those donors didn't just disappear when Wade was fired. Nor did they have any sort of relationship with him before he was hired at LSU. They just loved LSU and Wade cultivated the relationships with them to get the money. It's the very first thing he did upon his arrival. And it was the very first thing he did upon taking the McNeese job. He created relationships with would be/could be donors in LC.
McMahon hasn't done that to any significant degree because he doesn't like that aspect of the job. That's fine, and I completely understand it. But you can't whine about the "lack of commitment" when you aren't out trying to generate it.
This post was edited on 10/15/25 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 10/15/25 at 11:24 am to LSUfan2008
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This is the most in-depth preview of LSU I've seen and it comes from a Mizzou fan page
That's a really great, data driven, analysis that everyone should read.
What it shows, with actual supporting evidence, is what anyone who has been paying attention to the program beyond a surface level, already sees:
It seems clear McMahon doesn't really have a set plan to building the program. In year one he had to kind of take what he could get. But that roster was looked upon favorably. At least enough for experts/analyst to see it as a middle of the pack, fringe NCAA Tournament contender. It wasn't, AT ALL. The next season McMahon went hard into the portal to get experienced players. He, himself, talked about the need to get "older". The result was a better, but still mediocre season. Then, despite having success with "older" players, in year 3 he returns the roster building focus to HS signees. LSU tanks. Now, they are back to focusing on the portal.
What is the plan?! Going behind the data it's clear the plan was to try to build like he did at MSU and in the "old" era of college basketball by recruiting young players and developing them over the course of a few years. Unfortunately, that era no longer exist. So LSU has been living with a B.C. coach in an A.D. world.
The author also goes into detail to show that while LSU did hit the portal hard, the data reflects the talent level of the players signed seems, overall, mostly mediocre. And its not like the other SEC programs decided to take the year off to let LSU catch up. So while LSU's talent level may be increased compared to last season, relative to the rest of the league, it's still in the bottom 1/4th...which is part of the reason the media picked them to finish 2nd to last and the author picked them to finish dead last.
The guy is not an LSU fan nor an LSU hater. He's just looking at mostly objective past data to draw his conclusions. His conclusion is neither McMahon, nor LSU, are still any good.
Posted on 10/15/25 at 12:06 pm to BadaBingBadaBoom
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I truly believe if we stink it up again he will be gone!
thats what was said in march and here we are
Posted on 10/15/25 at 12:46 pm to The Pirate King
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The level of program commitment is night and day between the two programs.
Wonder the difference in NIL for baseball vs basketball
Posted on 10/15/25 at 2:22 pm to Madking
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What’s the relevance of a known high level winner in coaching who won in the same conference? Do you really have to ask that?
Exactly my point, how did it take such a high level winner until his 4th year to build a program?
Posted on 10/15/25 at 2:24 pm to JWill409
lol you’re trying to make a 1 for 1 comp while leaving out a huge piece of important data.
Posted on 10/15/25 at 2:28 pm to Open Your Eyes
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Mr. Villanova offense himself breaking out his basketball for dummies takes already, season hasn’t even started yet
Ah yes, the guy that perpetually uses these labels on others to make himself feel superior. Don't be mad, I asked a fair question. It's yet to be answered with anything other than the usual; "hey, this guy has been wrong a few times, let's deflect the point and further discredit anything he says". What's wrong with the Villanova offense? Too many championships for your liking? Did you expect to compete with bottom tier NIL? You better hope we don't make the tournament this year.
Posted on 10/15/25 at 2:30 pm to Madking
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lol you’re trying to make a 1 for 1 comp while leaving out a huge piece of important data.
More deflections. What's your justification...I mean point??
Posted on 10/15/25 at 2:30 pm to JWill409
Pearl started winning in year 3 at Auburn and turned them into a national power by year 4. This is before the portal where you mostly had to develop recruits. Your comparison has literally zero comparable aspects to it.
Posted on 10/15/25 at 2:32 pm to Madking
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you’re trying to make a 1 for 1 comp while leaving out a huge piece of important data.
In no way shape or form am I comparing Matt McMahon to Bruce Pearl. Which is my point....you still haven't answered me. Why did it take Pearl 4 years? See, y'all are full of contradictions, so I would love to hear your answer as to why Pearl needed 4 years and McMahon needed less. That's all I'm saying. I've already said that I'm done with him after this year too because we've spent money, so you can't say I'm sunshine pumping, I'm just asking a question.
Posted on 10/15/25 at 2:34 pm to BowDownToLSU
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Why didn’t Woodard move on from him after last season?
Because Will Wade was available. The good news is fat Scott can fire McMahon this season because his pussy won’t have to hire a coach with Will Wade lurking nearby.
Posted on 10/15/25 at 2:35 pm to JWill409
I did, the information you’re posting is incorrect and you’re lying about your purpose.
Posted on 10/15/25 at 2:36 pm to Madking
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Pearl started winning in year 3 at Auburn and turned them into a national power by year 4. This is before the portal where you mostly had to develop recruits. Your comparison has literally zero comparable aspects to it.
Wrong. They had a winning record went 18-14( which McMahon has done before at 17-16 and 9-9) but those wins were taken away due to cheating. So technically they were 6-14 that year. So again, he hasn't had any real success until his 4th season. You are full of contradictions. Why did it take him 4 years?
This post was edited on 10/15/25 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 10/15/25 at 2:36 pm to BowDownToLSU
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Matt McMahon coaching record in SEC is 14-40 ( 45-53 overall)
Give that man an extension. He just needs 8 more years then LSU will be looking like a well oiled machine.
Posted on 10/15/25 at 2:37 pm to JWill409
Again you’re just saying things that are false then doubling down with absurdity
This post was edited on 10/15/25 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 10/15/25 at 2:37 pm to Madking
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I did, the information you’re posting is incorrect and you’re lying about your purpose.
What information is wrong and what am I lying about? This is how you deflect and discredit instead of answering the question. Go ahead and actually answer the question and stop bullshitting everyone on here lol
Posted on 10/15/25 at 2:38 pm to JWill409
You don’t know what deflect means
Posted on 10/15/25 at 2:39 pm to Madking
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You don’t know what deflect means
There's the diversion. Answer the question.
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