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re: Matt Canada leading Candidate for Maryland OC

Posted on 1/22/18 at 2:12 pm to
Posted by Le Tenia
Member since Feb 2015
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Posted on 1/22/18 at 2:12 pm to
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So why negotiate with him?


To save money???
Posted by Le Tenia
Member since Feb 2015
4965 posts
Posted on 1/22/18 at 2:15 pm to
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This does not equal this...


I didn't expect that you would be one of the ones that would be able to put it all together. I can save you the trouble...that's exactly what it means.

Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
63613 posts
Posted on 1/22/18 at 2:17 pm to
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To save money???


But according to you, we wouldn’t owe him a dime.
Posted by Le Tenia
Member since Feb 2015
4965 posts
Posted on 1/22/18 at 2:18 pm to
I didn't say that. We owed him $3.4m but it discounted to $1.7m. Please try and pay attention.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
63613 posts
Posted on 1/22/18 at 2:25 pm to
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And you would let your client settle for half of what he owed?


Let? You provide advice based on what your client wants to do.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
63613 posts
Posted on 1/22/18 at 2:26 pm to
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I didn't say that. We owed him $3.4m but it discounted to $1.7m. Please try and pay attention.


But if we had reason to terminate with cause, we would not have owed him anything. You please try and pay attention.
Posted by Le Tenia
Member since Feb 2015
4965 posts
Posted on 1/22/18 at 2:33 pm to
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they could've fired him without giving him a dime, right?


Sure they could if they felt that he done something that would give them good cause. I don't understand why you spin this circles. It's fairly easy to understand.

-LSU wanted to fire him and did. He had 2 years left on contract.
-LSU negotiated the 2 year deal to a lump sump of half of what he was owed.
-The deal was good for both parties. Rather than fight it out involving attorneys. Both parties move on. Nobody would walk away from $1.7m if they knew that they were without a doubt 100% not a fault and fired for no good reason.
Posted by Le Tenia
Member since Feb 2015
4965 posts
Posted on 1/22/18 at 2:36 pm to
I never said that they had enough cause to terminate and not pay him anything. You brought it up. I said that they had enough cause to fire him and have him agree to walk away from $1.7m.

You don't walk away from $1.7m when you have done nothing wrong. It's a win for both parties.
Posted by Tiger Tracker
Austin,TX
Member since Nov 2015
7266 posts
Posted on 1/22/18 at 2:37 pm to
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I didn't expect that you would be one of the ones that would be able to put it all together. I can save you the trouble...that's exactly what it means.


No it's not. For example: hypothetically, Canada could be fired for cause for bad mouthing lsu on the recruting trail, which some claimed he was doing. That has nothing to do with O meddling in the offense during Troy. Also, the players and coaching staff all said that the offense was altered by O before Troy. So I am not sure how you think this didn't happen.

Here's the thing though there was no just cause to fire Canada. Otherwise, LSU wouldn't be paying him to go away. Unless, LSU did something wrong as well. It's pretty simple. O meddled in the offense, Canada got pisssed and went over O's head to Alleva (hence the pow wow). O couldn't work with him from that day forward, and Canada couldn't handle O trying to interject in the offense. Therefore at the end of the season they cut a deal to part ways. Lsu saves some money, Canada gets out of a miserable situation with half his cash, and the ability to coach at another school.
Posted by des4271
Member since Oct 2014
4682 posts
Posted on 1/22/18 at 2:46 pm to
The problem with giving him another year is, there was no chemistry/bad blood. You cannot display that in the locker room/field. I put the blame on both for that. It will carry over to the players. The reason Canada got the axe and O didn't is, 1,7 million vs. 12 million, or 13.7 for both, no brainer.
Posted by Le Tenia
Member since Feb 2015
4965 posts
Posted on 1/22/18 at 2:47 pm to
WTF is wrong with you people. Can you understand that LSU had cause to fire him or they wouldn't have??

Canada would have never walked away from $1.7m if he had done nothing wrong that would have justified him and this reduction.

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Also, the players and coaching staff all said that the offense was altered by O before Troy. So I am not sure how you think this didn't happen.


Link? Believe what you want, lil brother.
Posted by Thacian
USA
Member since Aug 2015
2173 posts
Posted on 1/22/18 at 2:54 pm to
I thought Saban would take him and put the Dick right into coach O, by beating him next year with his last oc.... lol
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
70025 posts
Posted on 1/22/18 at 2:59 pm to
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Let? You provide advice based on what your client wants to do.



Well wtf are lawyers for?

Client: they are firing me and I have a signed contract stating they owe me 3. 4 million will you review and let me know if I will win the entire sum

Lawyer: idk what do you want to do

Client: let’s just try for half of what my signed contract allows

Lawyer: great decision
This post was edited on 1/22/18 at 3:00 pm
Posted by Tiger Tracker
Austin,TX
Member since Nov 2015
7266 posts
Posted on 1/22/18 at 3:01 pm to
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Link? Believe what you want, lil brother.


i will believe quotes from Orgeron and players both admitting O meddled.

quote:

Orgeron said Monday he asked Canada last week to reduce the number of pre-snap motions and shifts to make things easier the two true freshmen offensive line starters against Troy.


quote:

"That's one of the reasons I wanted to quit shift and motion, be more physical at the point of attack," Orgeron said.

The result: zero first-half points.




quote:

"We tried to resort back to some old, old playing styles we kind of did," LSU tight end Foster Moreau said Saturday about the first-half play. "Just play some smash mouth LSU football, which I know all of our teammates, we love to do that. That wasn't working. So we just sort of resorted back to the motions and the shifts, kind of got things going, got some momentum."


quote:

LSU reverted back to using frequent motions and shifts for the second half and scored three touchdowns. The Tigers could have scored more were it not for three turnovers among the four other possessions in the second half.


How are you even debating this? Are you that willfully ignorant that you think the players and head coach (the one meddling) made this up?
Posted by Tiger Tracker
Austin,TX
Member since Nov 2015
7266 posts
Posted on 1/22/18 at 3:03 pm to
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WTF is wrong with you people. Can you understand that LSU had cause to fire him or they wouldn't have??


LSU DID NOT fire Matt Canada. I hope you can understand that. A mutual agreement to part ways is not a firing.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
70025 posts
Posted on 1/22/18 at 3:07 pm to
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If you think it was a mutual parting of ways though then we are on the same page here.


Always been my claim
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33963 posts
Posted on 1/22/18 at 3:10 pm to
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LSU wanted to fire him and did. He had 2 years left on contract. -LSU negotiated the 2 year deal to a lump sump of half of what he was owed.


Why would they pay him a dime if they fired him with cause? He doesn't have a say in negotiating any kind of settlement at all if they have cause.
This post was edited on 1/22/18 at 3:11 pm
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
63613 posts
Posted on 1/22/18 at 3:11 pm to
quote:

Always been my claim


But weren't you just claiming that they fired him?
Posted by Le Tenia
Member since Feb 2015
4965 posts
Posted on 1/22/18 at 3:15 pm to
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LSU DID NOT fire Matt Canada


Ok. What ever you say???
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
70025 posts
Posted on 1/22/18 at 3:16 pm to
I don’t think so I’ve always said due to the fact Canada accepted half his buyout it must mean they both wanted out.

I do think there are probably circumstances not included in the verbiage of the contract that they could fire him though...or gray areas that would cause for both sides to agree on a settlement. Surely you don’t think contracts cover every possible reason that could allow an employer to legally fire an employee?
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