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re: Marcus Spears brings the heat: Leonard Fournette was done a disservice by LSU

Posted on 7/11/17 at 10:15 pm to
Posted by SamuelClemens
Earth
Member since Feb 2015
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Posted on 7/11/17 at 10:15 pm to
I'd take Guice over LF7

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LF7 was a once in a lifetime talent.


But the Stars aligned just right to where LSU had two once in a lifetime RBs on the same team. DG5 & LF7
This post was edited on 7/11/17 at 10:18 pm
Posted by BayouBengals18
Fort Worth
Member since Jan 2009
9843 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 10:15 pm to
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Then if he wouldn't of been so battered and bruised up his first couple of years he wouldn't of gotten hurt his 3rd.


Umm what? He got hurt in preseason of last year, after resting for 8ish months. Him getting hurt had nothing to do with the previous two years.
Posted by BayouBengal99
Crowley
Member since Oct 2007
9122 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 10:17 pm to
So if LF had played for let's see.... Anyone else in the country you don't think that a 6'1" 235 lb 4.5 to sub 4.5 40 RB wouldn't have been picked as the #1 back in the NFL?

Of course he would have. Like I said Marcus is just saying that if LF had been in Matt Canada's offense for 3 years instead of Cam Cameron and Les Miles that he would have more than likely been the talk of the country and it wouldn't of been close IMO. He was easily the best athlete in CFB for 3 years. You tell me how many 235 lbs RBs run sub 4.5 40s and has the cutting ability. If Les Miles would have had a decent QB it could have been the perfect offense for LF.

I'm just really glad the man is now gone because we weren't winning a darn thing with that man calling the shots at LSU period. This new staff is going to keep everyone guessing. No way Saban feels better about playing LSU now that he's gone I promise you that.
Posted by BayouBengal99
Crowley
Member since Oct 2007
9122 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 10:27 pm to
I'm just saying when defense's have no other worry but the big back coming at them then it's going to wear that back down which could have indeed been a factor in the recurring injury of LF. It looked to me like the entire team had enough of what was going on. They loved the man but doesn't mean they weren't tired of him at the same time. I mean I love my pops, he's a great man, but I get tired of his ways especially if we aren't in agreement at how things should be run.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46625 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 10:28 pm to
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Spears' loyalty is to LSU not Miles. Whether or not you think his negativity for Miles is irrational, his opinions on how Fournette was utilized do not make him a bad LSU fan. I think it's funny that, while he was the coach it was said that you must support him, but now you need to get over it.





At no time did anyone say you must support Miles. the problem some posters are having is that in no way did lsu do a disservice to LF.
He is 4th on the lsu alltime rushing list and the other players in the top 10 played for 4 years.
LF is 220 yards shy of being 2nd place on lsu's alltime rushing rankings and he has 266 less carries than the current 2nd place rb.
LF is 750 yards shy of holding the lsu career rushing record and he has 240(more than a season's worth) less carries than Faulk.
Combine the entire careers of Faulk,Alexander,and Hillard and they had 3 seasons with a better yards per carry season than LF's worst yards per carry season(2014 true freshman season).

It's absurd to say the program did a disservice to a player that reached those individual accomplishments.

there are dozens of real things to call miles out on without making things up.
Posted by LSUKAT
Birmingham, AL.
Member since Dec 2007
1379 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 10:34 pm to
Why I love Marcus Spears- the truth teller. He is a good representative for LSU.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46625 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 10:53 pm to
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No I'm not joking you're the joke. I said best athlete for 3 years and he was.


no he wasn't. good god.
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Learn to read before trying to come at me like that. You sound like a little whinny girl. 


Yeah I really care how you see me.
At no point in 2014 was LF the best athlete in cfb.
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Then if he wouldn't of been so battered and bruised up his first couple of years he wouldn't of gotten hurt his 3rd

this is pure speculation.
He wasnt even top 10 in 2014 in carries. 2015 he was 5th in the country in carries. stop acting like we ran him into the ground.
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IDGAF what you think you know, I know and the country knows what they saw. 


THIS IS WHAT YOU AND OTHER PEOPLE SAW
1. a true freshman lead the sec in all purpose yards.
2. a rb set every freshman rushing record in lsu history.
HE FOLLOWED THAT SEASON BY ......
1. setting every single seasons rushing record in lsu history.
2. have the 2nd best rushing season in SEC history(162.75 rushing yards per game).( bested only by Walker' s 1981 season of 171.9 yards per game)
3. be the 1st sec rb to lead the ncaa in rushing since 1949.
HE FOLLOWED THAT SEASON UP WITH....

1.being injured but still breaking the lsu single game rushing record on 16 carries.
2.setting the lsu single game YPC record(minimum 15 carries)



The above statements are facts.
I'm sorry you don't like them.
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LF could have been put in positions to have barely been touched. 

we play in the most defensive talent rich conference in all of football yet you think there is an offense that would make LF untouchable?
You do realize that all those high flying spread offense run a far less variety of plays and formations, right?
Those Chip Kelly Oregon offenses consisted of 4 rushing plays and that's it.
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I assure you the ankle wasn't his only injury eithe

It's football, you get banged up.
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Again disservice.
only of youre an idiot.
He had one of those most accomplished careers in sec history,let alone lsu.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46625 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 10:56 pm to
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mm what? He got hurt in preseason of last year, after resting for 8ish months. Him getting hurt had nothing to do with the previous two years.


You have to remember that everything bad at lsu was because of miles and every accomplishment was in spite of miles.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 11:06 pm to
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Marcus is just saying that if LF had been in Matt Canada's offense for 3 years instead of Cam Cameron and Les Miles that he would have more than likely been the talk of the country and it wouldn't of been close IMO.
Boy Canada better live up to the hype that Cameron and Crowton did not... if he has one great year he better bolt and head for a HC position.
Cam and Crowton had a good first year before falling apart and neither has done anything since they left.
Posted by KingofthePoint
Member since Feb 2009
10133 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 11:18 pm to
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At no time did anyone say you must support Miles.

At the very least it was implied over and over again that, if you didn't support what Miles was doing, that you were less of a fan or not at all. I'm not really concerned about LF's utilization at the moment, but I do disagree that speaking out against Miles is speaking out against LSU.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46625 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 11:18 pm to
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Anyone else in the country you don't think that a 6'1" 235 lb 4.5 to sub 4.5 40 RB 


He wasnt 235 in 2014.

Vic Beasley ran a 4.53 at 246 at 2015 combine.

quote:

I'm just really glad the man is now gone because we weren't winning a darn thing with that man calling the shots at LSU period. 

he has 50% of our title game appearance.
He has as many top 5 finishes as Mac,saban,and dietzel combined.
He has as many top 10 finishes as the previous 40 years combined.

He, literally ,had one of the most accomplished tenures in sec history, let alone lsu history.
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No way Saban feels better about playing LSU now that he's gone I promise you that.


wanna take a guess which coach has the most wins against Saban since 2005?


You do realize that you can look this shite up,right?
This post was edited on 7/11/17 at 11:21 pm
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46625 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 11:24 pm to
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the very least it was implied over and over again that, if you didn't support what Miles was doing, that you were less of a fan or not at all.


but just like it was heavily implied that if you supported a coach that was having one of the best tenures in sec history(that fizzled out d was justly fired), it meant you liked miles more than you love lsu.
Posted by Dlab2013
Pineville, Luzianna
Member since Jun 2013
9219 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 11:30 pm to
LF is the greatest LSU RB to this point. Forget the records, he stays another year he owns all of them. What's the argument?

Same with Guice. He stays an extra year who knows? But he won't.......
Posted by CottonWasKing
4,8,15,16,23,42
Member since Jun 2011
28626 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 11:33 pm to
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which ones would he have broken that he didn't?



Put LF7 in a decent offense and he's breaking national records, not just LSU records. Kid should have won a heisman as good as he was
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46625 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 11:36 pm to
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is the greatest LSU RB to this point. Forget the records, he stays another year he owns all of them. What's the argument? 



He is 220 yards from 2nd place. The 2nd place rb has a full seasons worth of carries more than LF.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46625 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 11:39 pm to
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Put LF7 in a decent offense and he's breaking national records, not just LSU records.


holy shite. so now it's a disservice to LF if he doesn't get 2628 in a single seasons AND rush for 6405 yards?

The rant never ceases to amaze me.
Posted by la champ1
Member since Oct 2012
1435 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 11:57 pm to
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He is completely right. Fournette was a once in a generation type talent, if he played in a offense with a functional passing game, he would have broken several records.


Although Fournette was exceptional while here, a lot was left on the table due to our lack of creativity on offense. That being said, everything he experienced facing 9-10 in the box every game has no doubt prepared him better for the NFL. Guy had to create his own runs and make it work throughout his career, and was successful doing it.
Posted by DownSouthCrawfish
Simcoe Strip - He/Him/Helicopter
Member since Oct 2011
36322 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 11:59 pm to
Amen Spears, amen.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46625 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:15 am to
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Guy had to create his own runs


lsu oline was one of the best olines in 2015 in YARDS BEFORE CONTACT.
Posted by GeauxTigers0107
South Louisiana
Member since Oct 2009
9718 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 4:06 am to
This
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We needed a new bash Les thread. It has been a few days



And this
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It's so easy to say afterwards what SHOULD have happened.
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